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@rysiek @thisismissem @ocdtrekkie My concern is primarily new(er)users who sign on to m.s just because it's the default, or just because it was easiest (I started at m.s.) As it gets bigger and more difficult to handle, these users are the ones who are going to get caught in the middle, and may end up leaving the #fediverse because of it. 18 comments
 @rysiek @pearlbear @thisismissem They have to start somewhere. I think the goal should be to get as many active folks who start at m.s to move off as possible. But I suspect you'd find most of the large numbers you are worried about aren't really committed to being on the fediverse to begin with. @ocdtrekkie @rysiek @thisismissem What does that even mean "committed to being on the fediverse to begin with"? For most people, you don't get committed to being on the fediverse until you have experience with it. And your experience with it will determine your level of commitment. Most people don't join the fediverse knowing, or being committed to the philosophy of it. @pearlbear @rysiek @thisismissem I think there's a huge amount of people just checking out briefly who churn through the m.s number. I browse our local a lot and it's almost entirely garbage. If you're afraid of the blast radius of m.s going away, stop over here and spend some time on our local timeline.  @ocdtrekkie if the churn is so high, maybe that's another reason not to put new people by default on an instance that, as you say yourself, has "garbage" local timeline? 馃 @rysiek @pearlbear @thisismissem For a large instance or Twitter analogue, the local timeline just isn't a good way to browse. Imagine a feed of every post on Twitter. I think folks benefit from eventually moving somewhere with a tighter community though, yes. @rysiek @pearlbear @thisismissem But it would give you a very different idea of the server than you might have looking solely at the stats. @ocdtrekkie you are making a very good argument for not making m.s the default instance for new people. It's a different argument to the one I've been making, but it's still a good one. @ocdtrekkie find me a way to prove this, and I will calm down. In the meantime, I will work with the data that is available, thanks.  @pearlbear @rysiek @thisismissem @ocdtrekkie i very much agree with this, as someone who started at m.s in 2017 @pearlbear Yes and I also worry that trolls will target Black and queer people specifically. The crypto spam is just annoying, like all spam, but after the very specific targeting of high profile activist Black women who moved to Mastodon from Twtr (leaving their new address on Twtr) after the November exodus, I worry that will be repeated. @rysiek @thisismissem @ocdtrekkie @Lucinda basically, Mastodon-the-company is making promises all around, to others on fedi and to new people joining fedi being funneled onto m.s, that m.s will always be moderated amazingly well. And I don't think they will be able to keep these promises. Which, due to the "Mastodon-is-fedi" thing, will reflect very poorly on all of fedi. @rysiek @Lucinda @pearlbear @thisismissem There will definitely be other servers that are there, but I think a key part of moderation is having a team with wide coverage, not just "issues will get fixed when admin wakes up next". @ocdtrekkie or having a small enough community that a single mod/admin can handle it when they wake up. @rysiek @Lucinda @pearlbear @thisismissem It's less about the volume but the response time. Though I am excited about the possibility of something like IFTAS helping smaller servers moderate above their scale.  @rysiek @Lucinda @pearlbear @thisismissem @ocdtrekkie trolls are *constantly* targeting folk on here; but they more often use their own smaller instances, behind the scenes instance admins are constantly defederating those. To be fair many medium-size/larger instance admins /do/ stomp on troll accounts quite quickly as they don't want to risk being defederated @rysiek @Lucinda @pearlbear @thisismissem @ocdtrekkie there's however a problem due to the international nature of Fedi, timezones and potential language barriers, I remember a few years back trolls from Western countries targeting Japanese run instances to take advantage of the 8 hour time differences. The solution to this is to recruit a very multicultural range of mods who know multiple languages and are active in different time zones (which some instances do now have)  |
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@pearlbear that is also my concern. It has the potential to harm everyone around.
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