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Micha艂 "rysiek" Wo藕niak 路 馃嚭馃嚘

@drahardja have a dozen large-ish instances selected randomly as "default" each time a person needs that while signing up, instead of a single gigantic one.

Ideally, some of the instances would not be run by Mastodon-the-company.

That way the load and the responsibility spreads. New people still end up on large-ish, vibrant instances. But neither of them becomes the single-point-of-failure, too-big-to-defederate problem for the rest of fedi.

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Dave Rahardja (he/him)

@rysiek That鈥檚 fine. But until the list of acceptable large instances is established, onboarding to mastodon dot social is a perfectly fine flow for today in my view.

But the problem of defederation remains. Say there are a dozen large instances that hold 80% of the Fedi population. Will your server *actually* be able to defederate from any of them? When a major instance is made of 75% regular people and 25% Nazis, but account for 7% of the total Fedi population, you can鈥檛 defederate from them unless the other 11 major instances *also* do so鈥攜our instance would stand to lose *way* more than the major instance when you defederate, because your instance receives a lot of non-problematic traffic from the major instance. Your threat of defederation will have zero consequence to the major instance.

The threat of defederation only works among peers who need each other equally for survival. We need better tools to deal with bad actors on very large instances.

@rysiek That鈥檚 fine. But until the list of acceptable large instances is established, onboarding to mastodon dot social is a perfectly fine flow for today in my view.

But the problem of defederation remains. Say there are a dozen large instances that hold 80% of the Fedi population. Will your server *actually* be able to defederate from any of them? When a major instance is made of 75% regular people and 25% Nazis, but account for 7% of the total Fedi population, you can鈥檛 defederate from them unless...

Micha艂 "rysiek" Wo藕niak 路 馃嚭馃嚘

@drahardja

> That鈥檚 fine. But until the list of acceptable large instances is established, onboarding to mastodon dot social is a perfectly fine flow for today in my view.

Based on the size of m.s, I disagree.

> We need better tools to deal with bad actors on very large instances.

That's also true.

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