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Emelia 👸🏻

@louis @rysiek @pearlbear as mentioned, closing signups wouldn't prevent these spam waves, but it would add friction to people new to the fediverse.

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@thisismissem then make a few smaller open instances the default to alleviate that friction. Instead of funneling every new person onto m.s.

Also, here's a former Googler who makes a pretty good argument that maybe we need a bit more friction in general:
vice.com/en/article/3k9q33/the

@louis @pearlbear

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@thisismissem @rysiek @pearlbear Don't you see the friction mastodon.social are causing to the whole Fediverse by the inaction of Mastodon gGmbH? It has much bigger implications than a few users who need to wait for a manual approval for a few hours. Mastodon.social is pissing off a huge number of Fediverse users and admins right now and the number gets bigger with every wave.

"Causing friction" sounds like a corporate representative-speak from Facebook or Twitter.

Also, I don't believe that closing sign-ups won't prevent these spam waves for most of these accounts were created recently.

@thisismissem @rysiek @pearlbear Don't you see the friction mastodon.social are causing to the whole Fediverse by the inaction of Mastodon gGmbH? It has much bigger implications than a few users who need to wait for a manual approval for a few hours. Mastodon.social is pissing off a huge number of Fediverse users and admins right now and the number gets bigger with every wave.

Emelia 👸🏻

@louis @rysiek @pearlbear the spam would just move to the next instance that's well connected, or they'd change the attacks to use multiple instances all at once; keeping the spammers targeting m.s is a good thing for the entire fediverse as we build out better tools to fight spam across the entire fediverse.

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@thisismissem @rysiek @pearlbear If what you describe would be true they would have already done that. I think you are engaging in conjecture.

There are currently 12,137 known active Mastodon servers and mastodon.social is the only one with regular spam issues. For us in fact it is the only one since we started operating and now it is a daily issue.

Your narrative is sugarcoating at beat.

Emelia 👸🏻

@louis if m.s is such a problem for your userbase, which has a relative niche interest area compared to the general public, I'm wondering why you've opted to *not* defederate it?

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@thisismissem @rysiek @pearlbear Btw. re: friction. I still receive Spam reports to this minute thanks to the frictionless approach of mastodon.social.

Emelia 👸🏻

@louis @rysiek @pearlbear that'd be because suspended accounts aren't immediately federated to announce that status to recently interacted with instances: that's changing soon, Claire did up a PR for this that'll hopefully be merged & shipped soon, which will mean as soon as m.s suspends, all other instances recently contacted by that account will receive the suspension notice too.

Emelia 👸🏻

@louis @rysiek @pearlbear there's a fix coming soon for this, it's already merged on main, just needs to be deployed to m.s

Strypey

@thisismissem
> closing signups wouldn't prevent these spam waves

Manually approving new accounts would mitigate the spam coming from m.s, the first I've ever seen in almost a decade in the 'verse.

> it would add friction to people new to the fediverse

This is a feature, not a bug. As well as limiting access to spammers and other pests, it also pushes us towards slow, organic growth from the edges. Preferable to rapid, tumor-like growth of a few giant servers.

@louis @rysiek @pearlbear

@thisismissem
> closing signups wouldn't prevent these spam waves

Manually approving new accounts would mitigate the spam coming from m.s, the first I've ever seen in almost a decade in the 'verse.

> it would add friction to people new to the fediverse

This is a feature, not a bug. As well as limiting access to spammers and other pests, it also pushes us towards slow, organic growth from the edges. Preferable to rapid, tumor-like growth of a few giant servers.

Jonathan Lamothe
@strypey I hate this notion that exponential growth is a good thing. I kind of liked the relative anonymity the fediverse once had.
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