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Kensan

@jamey @marcan Is it partly because people get attached to “the way things work”? It’s usually hard to break a habit so I can understand reluctance to move to something else. However, in software, I have the impression that people feel personally attacked if something they use/like gets criticized…

13 May 2023 at 15:05 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.social
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Jamey Sharp

@Kensan @marcan As I said, I'm confused about why this is controversial—your guess may be better than mine. 😅 As usual though, there's an XKCD with one possible answer: xkcd.com/1172/

13 May 2023 at 15:12 | Open on toot.cat
Kensan

@jamey @marcan hah, yes that’s spot on 😆

Somehow with open source there comes a lot of entitlement and strong opinions… one of the good things is, that one can put in the work to back up these opinions.

What’s clear to me in this scenario is that Asahi/ @marcan are putting in so much work improving the whole ecosystem by chasing down obscure issues down to the compiler. I would think that would afford the project/him some more credibility when weighing in on issues like Xorg etc…

13 May 2023 at 15:28 | Open on mastodon.social
mirabilos

@jamey @marcan @Kensan experience in one thing doesn’t mean experience in another thing (the field is HUGE), although he probably has that, nor does it mean recognising what’s important about Unix (which he’s truly lacking, permitting only the subset of poettering’d users’ needs)

13 May 2023 at 15:56 | Open on toot.mirbsd.org
Josh Triplett
I think people have some notion that if they complain hard enough or throw up enough roadblocks, the thing they prefer will magically start getting maintained. It's the same notion that arises around architecture archaeology, init intransigence, OS ossification, and other dead-end development.

Closely related: most Open Source projects let obscure use cases get some free maintenance, both because we have sympathy for such cases and because they're *usually* not much trouble. People get used to the free maintenance. So, when a project comes along that says "no, that's not supported" because something *isn't* trivial to support, people get angry.
I think people have some notion that if they complain hard enough or throw up enough roadblocks, the thing they prefer will magically start getting maintained. It's the same notion that arises around architecture archaeology, init intransigence, OS ossification, and other dead-end development.
13 May 2023 at 18:37 | Open on social.joshtriplett.org
James Tucker

@Kensan @jamey @marcan there are non-contributor users (people who can’t or haven’t read any of the associate code) who have direct or indirect experience with wayland not working for them. They are not considering the trajectory of the ecosystem, but just drawing from that experience with fear and doubt that wayland will work for them. All the new subsystems suffer this :-( sorry it’s all front an center and rude in your feeds all the time

13 May 2023 at 19:46 | Open on don.rag.pub
James Tucker

@Kensan @jamey @marcan youtu.be/FKgD65Um8Mo this video, and top comment are perfect examples of things driving the mass thinking from those without deeper background

13 May 2023 at 19:49 | Open on don.rag.pub
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