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@niconiconi @Moon >You may as well just use a Linux kernel with kexec() as the bootloader. This is exactly the motivation of recently launched projects like LinuxBoot.

As far as I know, the reason why newer Elbrus machines has a 64 MB of on-board flash memory is to replace their bootloader with just Linux, that will do kexec().
12 May 2023 at 16:07 | Open on suya.place
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Pete Zaitcev
@a1ba @niconiconi @Moon
> the reason why newer Elbrus machines has a 64 MB of on-board flash memory is to replace their bootloader with just Linux
When I worked in MCST in 1996, I made a proposal to use Linux on Baget-11S. The CEO, A.K. Kim, declined, with the rationale that he was going to be laughed out of the room by all the generals and colonels, if he presented them a computer with OS written by a Finnish student. MCST bought a source license for Solars 2 instead, for $200,000. I was far ahead of my time. Mua ha ha ha ... hah. He was right though. It was too early, I even recognized it at the time.
@a1ba @niconiconi @Moon
> the reason why newer Elbrus machines has a 64 MB of on-board flash memory is to replace their bootloader with just Linux
When I worked in MCST in 1996, I made a proposal to use Linux on Baget-11S. The CEO, A.K. Kim, declined, with the rationale that he was going to be laughed out of the room by all the generals and colonels, if he presented them a computer with OS written...
12 May 2023 at 16:29 | Open on shitposter.club
TSource Engine Query
@zaitcev @niconiconi @Moon Baget is the earliest computer on R500, right? I think I saw it mentioned somewhere once. I'm not sure if they maintain Solaris port for their SPARC machines nowadays.
12 May 2023 at 16:34 | Open on suya.place
Pete Zaitcev
@a1ba @niconiconi @Moon It was even earlier than R500. We made a batch of an earlier chip in France in 1997. I don't remember the design parameters of that. But it went into a box that still had SBus. We made adapters for all the weird Elbrus-2 peripherals to SBus. The R500 came later, I'm pretty sure.

The theme "Baget" included 3 branches: 11P was a clone of Pentium, designed in Ukraine somewhere. Not sure if it was ever made. The 11S was SPARC by MCST. And the final one (11M?) was a MIPS made in Zelenograd. A whole production line and the design were bought abroad.
@a1ba @niconiconi @Moon It was even earlier than R500. We made a batch of an earlier chip in France in 1997. I don't remember the design parameters of that. But it went into a box that still had SBus. We made adapters for all the weird Elbrus-2 peripherals to SBus. The R500 came later, I'm pretty sure.
12 May 2023 at 16:40 | Open on shitposter.club
Pete Zaitcev
@a1ba @Moon @niconiconi Here's a photo that I found. My note says "New spin of Baget-S after original version missed its clock target. 2.8M transistors, 150MHz, 0.35um CMOS process with 4 layers of metal.
1999-2001". I can't believe we could not crack 200 MHz. I thought we did, but that's how I wrote it down.
12 May 2023 at 16:45 | Open on shitposter.club
Pete Zaitcev
@Moon @a1ba @niconiconi And the previous one was

"100 MHz (Actually - only 60)
0.5 um 3-layers CMOS
~2 M transistors
2 W
Late 1997"
12 May 2023 at 16:46 | Open on shitposter.club
TSource Engine Query
@zaitcev @niconiconi @Moon R500 also used SBus, as they tell. But R1000 and forward uses PCI, and their southbridge. I recently got my hands on their SPARC port of Linux and the bootloader, trying to implement emulation for it in QEMU, it has nothing about SBus anymore.

>And the final one (11M?) was a MIPS made in Zelenograd
I wonder if 11M was a KOMDIV related thing.
@zaitcev @niconiconi @Moon R500 also used SBus, as they tell. But R1000 and forward uses PCI, and their southbridge. I recently got my hands on their SPARC port of Linux and the bootloader, trying to implement emulation for it in QEMU, it has nothing about SBus anymore.
12 May 2023 at 16:49 | Open on suya.place
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