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blinry

Finally, a solution to the unfairness of authorship ordering in scientific papers! 😂

"Every Author as First Author"

arxiv.org/abs/2304.01393

68 comments
Jan D

@blinry how about random order? Or is the necessary magic blocked for security reasons today?

Steve Canon

@simulo @blinry I have always wanted to have PDFs randomize author order on load. Makes bibliography spicy, though.

Ben

@steve @simulo @blinry might as well just use set notation at that point. For a book chapter I contributed to, we included a note that authors' names were alphabetized, and not intended to represent any sort of rank of contribution.

Steve Canon

@ben_zen @simulo @blinry Alphabetizing names is the norm in my field, but introduces its own bias...

DELETED

@blinry

The main authors are Demaine authors.

Perfect.

Rob Jefferson

@blinry @panegyr I totally thought this was a sigbovik paper, but I guess not! Wonder if MIT has their own version.

Nafeon

@blinry I like how this comes from a chaos.social account XD.

notsoloud

@blinry
I recall seeing a peasants' complaint being signed in a circle so the powers-that-were could not make an example of the top signer.

Different background, same goal, same result. A beautiful example of design convergence.

Dr. Tineke D'Haeseleer

@notsoloud @blinry
Inner Mongolia, fairly recently (past 5 or 10 years?): they revived an older tradition from the steppe/nomad culture IIRC, to complain to higherups about the treatment of Mongolian language/culture/education. Very interesting.

That’s the case I am aware of, but of course likely other cultures did/do it too!

Matt Noyes

@blinry an old labor union trick, to protect the instigators

Ashton Wiersdorf

@blinry Can you embed a GIF in a PDF? You can just make the names shuffle around too if you can.

I like the superposition-vibe of this kind of thing though. 💯

Wilfried Klaebe

@blinry just have the author list scroll endlessly with random start point...

sabik

@wonka @blinry
Finally a second valid use of the marquee tag

Benoît Valiron

@blinry unfortunately, mouse-hovering over the citation shows the list of authors, with the ordering...
Shamelessly citing a colleague : My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

Maya

@blinry I think this is a good example of the solution being stupid but the question not being as stupid.

Jonathan👣🚲

@blinry I wonder what @drbecky_ would make of this. She tends to call out the first author with a picture _and collaborators_ in her videos. Shame this account on Mastodon is only a passive mirror.

The Geoff

@blinry If I change my name to "I picked this name to be visible as the first author on scientific papers screw that lot ---> Geoffrey Geoffers Geofferson"....

Anselm Schüler

@blinry This unfortunately gives an advantage to those with the longest names.

Fuzzy Leapfrog

@Habrok42 @blinry Brilliant. Habe erst vorgestern noch das Paper "Shared First Authorship" in eine Lerneinheit meiner Studis eingebaut 😂 Das landet direkt in der Strange Stuff Collection.

Fuzzy Leapfrog

@Habrok42 @blinry Die Sammlung ist übrigens öffentlich zum Erfreuen für alle. Ich freue mich hingegen immer über Ergänzungsvorschläge 🤓 zotero.org/groups/4682147/stra

Omar Lizardo

@blinry Perfect if you are planning to submit to the Journal of Universal Rejection universalrejection.org/

David D. Levine

@blinry "Circular arrangements also seem difficult to apply to small numbers of authors such as 2."

Kazinator

@blinry

Joking aside, there is another solution: write your own damn paper by yourself, and put exactly one name on it.

Petra

@blinry I love the idea of researchers signing their names as if mutineers, to prevent reprisals against the PI

Fabian N. T. 🦆

@blinry Reminds me of an anecdote from one of those Game Developer Conference post-mortems: During the development the project manager had to deal with two teams, both lead by folks with rather big egos (🙄), nobody wanted to be the "second team" – so they got called "Team 1" and "Team A" 😆

Mark Gritter

@blinry While I love this very much, one problem is that I can distinguish the presence of an author I recognize (Erik Demaine) while not ones I'm less familiar with, leading to a different sort of bias. :)

I will read the paper and see if this is addressed.

Gstpulldn

@blinry there was a British paper where they decided the author order by playing cricket.

Emily :d20: 🏳️‍⚧️ :d20:

@blinry clearly the best solution would be to have the authors agree on one super-name, following practices used by fandom shippers.

Tartan Collier ✅

@blinry@chaos.social How about listing the authors oldest to youngest? Or determine (by blockchain, of course) which authors contributed the most content to the document, and list them in descending order of contribution size?

Hendrik Rommeswinkel

@blinry Approved! I hope next there won't be a movement against unfairness because long names stand out from the bunch!

Anne Pasek

@blinry I like the idea of a unique glyph for each author configuration

Steven

@blinry They need to add random spaces (or any other reasonable delimiter) between letters to adreess the bias given to long names.

The Gentleman in Question

@blinry
April 3 submission, so I'm assuming a deadline was missed

Isaac Erbele, MD

@blinry Truly, I have gazed into the depths of the abyss.

Stephanie 🎀

@blinry Now try it with the Higgs Boson discovery paper 🤣🤣🤣

levampyre

@blinry Works fine, as long as machines are the only ones reading the paper or citation.

Janis (she/her)

@blinry No one does this on actual paper anymore, maybe Adobe Acrobat (others will follow) needs a new openly-readable-source feature in the form of a Random Order List Box.

Ψ*Ψ

@blinry high energy physics papers would just look redacted

Michaela

@blinry I'm not surprised to learn that latex allows this kind of cursed wizardry. Of course it does.

Lupino

@blinry i'd suggest using \rlap{} to print stuff ontop of other stuff instead of moving it around with negative vertical skips.

janwo

@blinry There's still an advantage for people with longer than average names, because more of their names remains legible.

Robert Gale

@blinry This is great work, though I am concerned that the inevitable emergence of z-index prestige wasn’t covered in the discussion/limitations

Mr. Bruno :verified:

@blinry sometimes I doodle a word by writing each letter on top of itself.

Pascal 🇺🇦

@blinry
I'd like to propose the paper "Every Author as First Author"
to the Ig Nobel Prize committee.
The acceptance speech ought to be mind blowing.

blinry

@pascal There was, in fact, a presentation of this paper, at SIGTBD 2023! sigtbd.csail.mit.edu

There's a (Zoom) recording here: mit.zoom.us/rec/share/TcpPk0YN

Erik's talk is starting around 01:15:40!

Mr. Bruno :verified:

@blinry it might have been better if it was dated two days earlier.

Ionica Smeets

@blinry
"Our approach makes it easy to give the full author list SMUDGE giving credit to all authors, but without allocating that paper a disproportionate amount of space in the bibliography."

I love every sentence of this article.

MOULE (NEW GLHF ALBUM OUT NOW)

@blinry Just print the paper in holographic film so a different name appears depending on what angle you look at it. Or maybe merge the top and bottom halves of letters together, or combine them like sigils 🤔

The Corodon

@blinry
"A final issue is that overlapping name stacks are not easy to read."
Chef's kiss, 11/10, no notes.

Jencel Panic

@blinry So, all authors' names would be unreadable - sounds good, actually.

In traditional Asian culture, there was no custom of specifying the author of a given work.

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