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Aras Pranckevičius

@mcc and then you mix in some pride and hubris and arrogance, like "hey all the cool kids are doing this mantle-like renderer design, who are we to not able to pull this off?", and you start nodding along at the conferences and proudly saying how it's all gonna be cool & cozy.

3 May 2023 at 4:16 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
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Tom Forsyth

@aras @mcc My recollections are that it was:

ISVs: we hate that drivers are doing all this stuff behind our backs.

IHVs: well we have to if the API is going to be usable.

ISVs: how about if we do all that work instead?

IHVs: ooooh - be careful what you wish for. I mean here's Mantle, look at all that crap you have to do.

ISVs: that looks awesome - we're software people, we can handle it.

IHVs: <washes hands> Ctrl+H, "mt", "vk", <yes to all>

3 May 2023 at 5:51 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Aras Pranckevičius

@TomF @mcc Right yeah, and my point is that this "ISVs" is an extremely small subset of "all ISVs", the ones who either really want it, or the ones who think they want it, but their opinion does not even reflect their company's or their coworkers' opinion.

3 May 2023 at 6:42 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Scott Michaud

@TomF @aras @mcc Also, from my (outside) perspective, it looked like NVIDIA was pouring money into driver optimizations. AMD was getting frustrated that Microsoft was (apparently) completely uninterested in updating DX11, and they couldn't keep up with NVIDIA's "Game Ready" treadmill, so they pushed Mantle (likely intending to donate it from the get-go).

(Roy Taylor saying no DX12 ~5-6 months before Mantle was announced)
megaleecher.net/directx_12

@TomF @aras @mcc Also, from my (outside) perspective, it looked like NVIDIA was pouring money into driver optimizations. AMD was getting frustrated that Microsoft was (apparently) completely uninterested in updating DX11, and they couldn't keep up with NVIDIA's "Game Ready" treadmill, so they pushed Mantle (likely intending to donate it from the get-go).

3 May 2023 at 7:02 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
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