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William Pietri

This, via @davidgerard, is a #bluesky gobsmacker.

First there's the breathtaking confidence that this this exciting AI thing will solve the problem. As if Twitter didn't have literally hundreds of ML engineers working on this for years. YEARS.

Then there's the notion that you could possibly create AI magic without doing enough of the manual work to really understand it. Nope!

Third, there's apparently a belief that a magic technical solution exists to social problems that are so complex that they're demoralizing and hard to deal with.

Fourth, I see no recognition that they should have had at least some starter solutions before letting users on at all.

Lastly, there's the lack of recognition that anti-abuse work, hard though it is, is not nearly as hard as dealing with the abuse.

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William Pietri

As an aside, I'm clearly going to have to write something up about Mastodon's handling of abuse, which I need to investigate properly. Does anybody have resources they like? People to talk to? Incidents to examine?

J Miller

@williampietri

There were several good sessions about Mastodon/ the Fediverse at MozFest. Maybe review the schedule for session organizers and presenters?

schedule.mozillafestival.org/s

Tired Bunny :bunhdcomfysleep:
@williampietri There is lot of incidents out there, but it's hard to find them since I have not saved links.

If I understand correctly the meaning of abuse - just searching #fediblock hashtag may help to see how things are handled on day to day basis, but it is also needed to look at some things that are less one-sided, like "nazi followbots" that made people mistakenly ban ukraian instance which moderators wasn't online on the time of attack made using that instance's open registration (i may search for posts about that since I made some replies myself trying to help clear misunderstanding), or when some instances block other ones for not following their block list (I also had some posts from admins of banned instances but lost links too)

I myself can say about the recent incident with pawoo where spambots with CP on their avatars were created but I didn't save any evidence before my instance admin blocked bots about that because of shock it made me experience. It looked like these were bots made by someone who also wanted people to block pawoo instance, if that is the case, It was seemingly sucessfull
@williampietri There is lot of incidents out there, but it's hard to find them since I have not saved links.

If I understand correctly the meaning of abuse - just searching #fediblock hashtag may help to see how things are handled on day to day basis, but it is also needed to look at some things that are less one-sided, like "nazi followbots" that made people mistakenly ban ukraian instance which...
Tired Bunny :bunhdcomfysleep:

@williampietri @davidgerard

Image shows post from Jay @jay.bsky.team which says:

building long-terms solutions to moderation like better community tooling and customized Al models = energizing and fun work

jumping in to individually investigate and adjudicate cases of bad behavior in contexts we don’t fully understand = demoralizing and stressful work

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