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smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@gert @dansup

Yea Postel's law, but also see this criticism:

> "A flaw can become entrenched as a de facto standard. Any implementation of the protocol is required to replicate the aberrant behavior, or it is not interoperable. This is both a consequence of applying the robustness principle, and a product of a natural reluctance to avoid fatal error conditions. Ensuring interoperability in this environment is often referred to as aiming to be "bug for bug compatible".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustne

14 Sep 2021 at 19:33 | Open on mastodon.social
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Gert V πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ

@humanetech @dansup What he did was write up a lot of RFCs in order to avoid widespread confusion..

14 Sep 2021 at 19:35 | Open on social.coop
smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@gert @dansup

Well, if we did that for the #Fediverse it would be a great step forwards. We have a Fediverse Enhancement Proposals (FEP) process, but after bootstrapping it, it immediately stalled.

socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/

14 Sep 2021 at 19:38 | Open on mastodon.social
Gert V πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ

@humanetech @dansup So you could help not to make the process go from informal to formal, but from high entropy to low entropy.

14 Sep 2021 at 20:16 | Open on social.coop
smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@gert @dansup

Well, I am not advocating to make the process more formal. Better defined, maybe, easier accessible.

But to have a more formal organization core as a foundation below the SocialHub community, on which it stands. Maybe being able to collect funding and deal it out via bounties in a democratic community-involved process, idk.

There's a ton of work and all dull chores.

Volunteering like now, trying to herd cats, is a recipe for burnout and in fact happened to many others already.

14 Sep 2021 at 20:25 | Open on mastodon.social
David Sterry

@humanetech @gert @dansup
Practically speaking, I've been trying to regain access to git.activitypub.dev for weeks but haven't had any luck. I feel like its home repo needs to be on a more reliable host.

If FEP really failed, then let's do another one based on a proven process like RFC or even BIP.

14 Sep 2021 at 21:00 | Open on c4.social
smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@weex @gert @dansup

I have proposed on SocialHub to transfer it to codeberg.org/fediverse but there was no follow-up to that.

14 Sep 2021 at 21:03 | Open on mastodon.social
David Sterry

@humanetech @gert @dansup Well if you know anyone who can get an access code, please do. I'll definitely make it part of my daily or at least weekly rounds.

14 Sep 2021 at 21:05 | Open on c4.social
smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@weex @gert @dansup

It was in this post in April: socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/

I also proposed some changes to the FEP process.

Both @cj and @pukkamustard did a ton of work in setting things up, and its their call if they feel positive for a move to codeberg.

14 Sep 2021 at 21:13 | Open on mastodon.social
David Sterry replied to smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@humanetech @gert @dansup @cj @pukkamustard

That's amazing. I found this stuff about federation.md in many projects which is very interesting. Are all of those listed somewhere along with things like the FEPs and AP spec?

14 Sep 2021 at 21:31 | Open on c4.social
cj πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΈπŸ‡¨πŸ‡­ replied to smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@humanetech I am fine with a move to codeberg. I think most of the FEP things are documented in the git repository, not in the issues specific to git.activitypub.dev. It would be good to get explicit opinion from @pukkamustard and @lain as well though.

@weex @gert @dansup

14 Sep 2021 at 22:43 | Open on mastodon.technology
David Sterry

@humanetech @gert @dansup Just tried again and I was able to login... FEPs are alive again!

14 Sep 2021 at 21:53 | Open on c4.social
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