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pixelfed

Imgur blocking Adult/NSFW content is most likely influenced by their monetization strategy.

You know why they (and Tumblr/IG) want to block Adult/NSFW content?

Ads. Advertisers don't want their ads (and brand) to be associated with adult/NSFW content.

We aren't beholden to advertisers, and embrace freedom of expression. We have no plans to ban NSFW content.

#pixelfed #imgur #nsfw

73 comments
Bloodaxe

@pixelfed If only all people respectfully marked all their content as NSFW, but alas that doesn't always happen because we all have different opinions about what NSFW even means 🙃

motionmaker

@bloodaxe @pixelfed "not safe for work"
ask someone who works in the redlight whats nsfw content is :cyberclown:

gh0s1

@motionmaker @bloodaxe @pixelfed I'm not too sure that's the persistent of the general public😂

aroom

@bloodaxe @pixelfed yes it’s time to let nsfw go away and bring other sustainable solutions

Bloodaxe

@aroom @pixelfed And what would those solutions be exactly?

aroom

@bloodaxe @pixelfed content warning has to be specific to the content. the one we have here is far better.

content not suitable to a workspace is really what you want? it's to broad and not relevant anymore.

Bloodaxe

@aroom
@pixelfed

I agree! I was simply asking because you didn't specify any specific examples of better solutions 😃

aroom

@bloodaxe @pixelfed I don't pretend to have a solution tho. I just find that NSFW is not working for me. It's too broad and thus lose its purpose. That is of course my opinion.

Bloodaxe

@aroom
@pixelfed
But using CW is one solution, at the very least it's part of a solution 🤔 It provides more context to what's hidden, without showing the content itself (If used correctly).

Peter Wood

@bloodaxe @aroom @pixelfed

I think as we're all adults, we can take our own responsibility for what we do at work.

Bloodaxe

@pete @aroom @pixelfed
What do you mean by that? Are you thinking of using the platform at all during work hours, or something else? 🤔

Part of the issue with NSFW-stuff is it can pop up in your timeline without you necessarily want it to be there in the first place (like in the local timeline or the federated timeline). And since NSFW means something different for everyone, leaving the filtering to the users can be a legitimate problem.

We do have the option to hide all media content tho 😄

@pete @aroom @pixelfed
What do you mean by that? Are you thinking of using the platform at all during work hours, or something else? 🤔

Part of the issue with NSFW-stuff is it can pop up in your timeline without you necessarily want it to be there in the first place (like in the local timeline or the federated timeline). And since NSFW means something different for everyone, leaving the filtering to the users can be a legitimate problem.

Peter Wood

@bloodaxe @aroom @pixelfed

I think, if you're on the Internet, you should expect to see things you didn't expect.

You can't rely upon, or expect people to sensor themselves appropriately to your needs. It's just not how it works.

If you go to a football match you'll hear people swearing at the top of their lungs.

Bloodaxe replied to Peter

@pete
@aroom @pixelfed

I thought the entire point of the fediverse is having the ability to tailor the experience to what you want, without anyone telling you what to do? If people managed to, at bare minimum, tag their content correctly, that would be 100% possible with Content Warnings and tag-filters.

aroom replied to Bloodaxe

@bloodaxe @pete @pixelfed well it’s also up to the server rules of the instance you are using.

On mastodon.social any sensitive content (sexually explicit or violent media) has to be marked as sensitive before posting.

What would be great is if we could have a few categories to be chosen from when we mark content as sensitive. That would let us filter content a bit more easily.

Bloodaxe replied to aroom

@aroom
@pete @pixelfed

Yes but server choice is also a choice made by the individual. And self-hosting is an actual alternative here, unlike with Facebook, YouTube and similar centralized platforms.

Your idea is a good one though, a step in the right direction 👍🏻

aroom

@bloodaxe @pixelfed yes but I'm afraid it's too much work. like typing relevant alt text for pictures unfortunately, specifically in pixelfed.

we should try to find a few categories that can easily be selected, but specific.

so we could use those categories to filter our feed. avoid any sexual content, but keep arty nude or whatever. avoid video of people being killed, but keep the video of skaters failing to land a kickflip. or avoid them all together if you want.

Bloodaxe

@aroom @pixelfed Yes but this assumes that all users of ActivityPub are using the system properly, and that they are not nefarious in their ways. And, as I'm sure we can both agree, humanity is anything but holy, wholesome and considerate in all their ways 😆

Not to mention: who decides what is sexual content, and what is "artsy nude"?

gh0s1

@aroom @bloodaxe @pixelfed porn, glood/gore/general things that the mainstream would consider obscene. If your aware of the mainstream it shouldn't be that hard to identify what would be nsfw.

Un Bourguignon 🇪🇺🇺🇦 :firedoge:

@pixelfed
If I remember correctly, this is this exact move that cost badly to Tumblr because they lost a huge amount of creators (and ad revenues in the process).

Maxi 10x 💉

@pixelfed But it’s much more than that: They delete all pictures that are uploaded without an account.

Stefan Scholl

@frumble @pixelfed It's so frustrating that everybody is so focused on porn and ignores this real book burning problem.

Ren 🐧

@frumble @pixelfed THAT is my big issue, I use imgur for link sharing when I can't send images directly since its built into KDE Plasma's screenshot tool.

Now I have no idea what to use

Maxi 10x 💉

@rogueren If your only problem is 'what to use now', you don’t have a problem. There are tons of picture sharing sites. The real problem lies in communities that have used Imgur extensively to host their 'content'. These links will now all go into the abyss.

Ren 🐧

@frumble but only Imgur has access directly from my screenshot tool, otherwise I have take a picture, save it, name it, find it in my file browser, open an internet browser, go to a sharing site, log in, upload, THEN share.

Imgur I take a screenshot and click a button, link gets auto-copied to my clipboard

Maxi 10x 💉

@rogueren How many screenshot do you send your friends that this is such a big deal for you? Isn’t this also really bad in a privacy perspective to upload screenshots to a public picture hoster? There might come a NextCloud integration in Spectacle.

Ren 🐧

@frumble I'm not sending everything to a cloud provider, just stuff like game screenshots in things like discord servers that don't allow image uploads

I don't share to imgur anything with any personal info of any kind whatsoever

newsorpigal

@pixelfed

Tumblr committed suicide when it banned NSFW stuff. It will be the same with Imgur.

Deus

Anyone remember Mr Grim announcing imgur with, “Hey Reddit, I created an Image hosting site that doesn’t suck”? Or “Hey Digg, I created an Image hosting site that doesn’t suck”?

But then, imageshack and photobucket sucked so badly. But as time went, they got greedy and became what they called ‘sucks’.

deutrino

@newsorpigal news of tumblr's demise is vastly, vastly exaggerated. in fact, it was one of the best things to happen to the site from my perspective as a relatively late adopter, because many of the assholes left while a higher proportion of introvert art kids stayed.

also, nudes are back, though hardcore explicit content is still banned.

[DATA EXPUNGED]
Stefan Scholl

@pixelfed Fuck NSFW! They are deleting all anonymous uploads as well.

This means all the old Reddit posts with Imgur links will be worthless. Including SFW posts.

I have a few r/CoolGuides posts bookmarked on Reddit that link to Imgur. I need to save them until the end of this month, or they will be gone.

ducdat0507

@pixelfed Quick, someone put the entirety of Imgur to the Internet Archive

Buster | Felipe

@pixelfed I would guess payment providers play an even bigger part than advertisers themselves.

Erotic Mythology (hire me) 💖

@pixelfed I think content warnings are great but I have discovered that once you put a content warning or mark the post as "sensitive content", there won't be any preview shown if you post the link elsewhere which is, in a way, punishing those who play by the rules. I don't have a solution for this because I don't know how this works on a technical level. It just would be nice if I could opt in to see adult content in link previews too.

Deus

There’s a setting that allows admins to enable/disable that. You should ask your site/instance’s admin. Here’s mine. I’m sure Mastodon has the same settings 🙂

Xavier Jacques CĂ´tĂŠ

@pixelfed there is some users who does not want to be in an environnement where NSFW content can be easily accessible.

Even if you are in a perfect world (we are’nt) where all users mark the right content as NSFW, some users will simply go elsewhere who is more ”family-safe”.

And a user might just avoid to open a site/app in a public place (example: in public transit) just to avoid the embarrassment of having NSFW stuff on the screen while kids could be around.

Xavier Jacques CĂ´tĂŠ

@pixelfed An other tricky thing: it’s opens the door to a moderation nightmare. Ex.: How old the subject on the photo is? Sometimes, it’s not easy to say.

And don’t be wrong, cauz the hosting provider (who might just not allow some type of NSFW content in it’s ToS) can suspend or terminate the account where the site is hosted on.

Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK

@xavsworld @pixelfed there is that risk, but provided the app allows other Pixelfed instances which could set themselves up as family safe then folk who have concerns can just set their app to only use those instances (in the same way you can often lock a TV set or other device if you are going to let kids use it unsupervised..)

Xavier Jacques CĂ´tĂŠ

@vfrmedia @pixelfed good remark! Thats being said, i’m was not refering to the parental controls but more as a "politics" things.

Example: "I do not want to see my posts on a site where nsfw content is wildly available" Because personnal values, religion, … or just not to be associated to it.

Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK

@xavsworld @pixelfed

on Fediverse there isn't "just one site", there''s literally thousands of them, and whilst most federate with one another, this can be limited in various ways (as can the federation of individual posts).

So its possible to lock down an app or posts as the user wishes...

FinchHaven

@pixelfed

Yeah

Mastodon dot social has the highest incidence of XXX hard-core homo- and hetero-sexual porn i've yet to see on the #Fediverse

Uncloaked by any of that prissy #CW crap

So you're just formalizing the content format

Good to know

Good to know

Also, bye...

bytebro

@pixelfed So why not find a similar outlet that doesn't try and monetise everything you do?

Phantom Kitty (Tech)

@pixelfed I do wish posters who do NSFW content would that hashtag. I need to filter it on an account that I need to check in public. Just saying NSFW in the text is not good enough as that filters out other posts, use the actual hashtag. It is for more than just finding posts.

Sailing Pirate

@pixelfed they are also deleting all the archived files, that means 18+ years of deleted user's content will vanish

Badgerclops

@pixelfed you know what's REALLY ironic about this?

#Imgur was originally created because ImageShack banned #nsfw content! The VERY SAME THING they're gonn do!

MNylif

@pixelfed I completely understand why they want to do that. However “NSFW” content can generate a lot more revenue… just a thought :blobcatfingerguns: #nsfw #business #tumblr #imgur

Sean

@pixelfed Perhaps this is true, but these same advertisers don’t seem to have any problem being associated with right-wing extremists. Their priorities are quite perplexing. #advertising #NSFW

James House-Lantto (He/Him)

@pixelfed

To be clear though, the rules about what can be posted publicly, are not changing, at all,
this new policy only applies to hidden/private folders that are not published in the first place.

robryk

@pixelfed Tumblr claims that they block the subset of nsfw they do, because otherwise credit card companies would refuse to do business with them (and so they'd find it difficult to be pair, even if advertisers were totally fine with it). I don't know enough about the context to know whether I should doubt this claim. Assuming it's true, that's a problem that might be shared by pixelfed instances of nontrivial size: their users might find it hard to donate money to cover operational costs.

alex :antiverified:
@pixelfed and even if you wanted to, you couldn’t
JustMrLarz

@pixelfed does that mean that the add will honor “show content” settings selected by a user throughout, or will those continue to only apply to the main feed? Searching or selecting hashtags blur NSFW despite settings otherwise.

Dr. Unabart :vepi: :jrbd:

@pixelfed Are there ever plans to allow users to migrate their content from IG to PixelFed? That’s the only thing holding me back from going full time with it. I foolishly invested too much time into my IG account. Not really worried about the comments et al, but at 2000+ pics, manual migration, pic by pic, isn’t feasible. I know I’m just one dude, but maybe something like that could help others break the collar as well. Thanks for everything!

Cleo of Topless Topics

@pixelfed the hardest part is getting people who haven't had to deal with constant nonsense bans to switch from mainstream platforms to alternatives like #pixelfed. Alas even when they DO get frequently banned, a lot refuse to leave (like a friend of mine who has three alt Facebook accounts they switch between as one gets a temporary ban...) They all give the excuse that "if I quit [mainstream platform] then I'll lose access to family and friends!" to which I say "if those people are really worth keeping in contact with, they'll follow you to the new platform." if nothing else, there's always email.

IDK I'll just keep trying to lure my mainstream platform followers to less faschy places by posting "hey go here to see the uncensored version of my content!" but something something horses, water, drink...

@pixelfed the hardest part is getting people who haven't had to deal with constant nonsense bans to switch from mainstream platforms to alternatives like #pixelfed. Alas even when they DO get frequently banned, a lot refuse to leave (like a friend of mine who has three alt Facebook accounts they switch between as one gets a temporary ban...) They all give the excuse that "if I quit [mainstream platform] then I'll lose access to family and friends!" to which I say "if those people are really worth...

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