@Natanox @ixi are we sure all of these alternatives are actually better from a moral point of view ? My experience of banana pi for example was that it had terrible support and not so sure their software is so pure either (old binary builds last time I checked)

@Natanox I'm keeping my raspberry pi 4, as I'm flat broke and can't afford a different board. However, it runs Arch Linux ARM instead of Pi OS, so I'm assuming it'll be safe from any of the telemetry?

@Natanox so is that some sort of on-chip telemetry? That’s wild 🤯

@Natanox
I've gone the Hard kernel / Odroid route and been mostly happy with that choice.

@Natanox I don't think you are reading that correctly.

Including AI chip on SBC means supporting AI use cases where "only metadata is sent to cloud" instead of use cases where "the full data is sent to cloud".

/cc @jernej__s

Hatte den
#Raspi
eben erst lieb gewonnen. Aber so geht das nicht weiter, in Zukunft werde ich ihn in Bildungs- und anderen Projekten nicht mehr empfehlen.
@Raspberry_Pi

@Natanox Should add the Radxa Rock 5B to that list, too!

https://jamesachambers.com/all-hail-the-rock-5b-sbc-king-of-2023/

@Natanox

Another option for your list:

https://libre.computer/

They sell a variety of Single Board Computers (SBCs), including "Le Potato", which has the same(?) size & connectors/ports as a RPi B series SBC.

Another product, La Frite, is similar to a RPi A series.

Here in the U.S.A., they sell through Amazon & LoveRPi.

Hope this helps! :- )

So, since this toot blew up and I can't possibly answer any and all questions I'd like to address most of what was said in here:

- The current information we have about RasPi comes from an Article on extremetech.com as well as Sonys marketing videos and press releases. How exactly it will be implemented is not *clearly* stated, however Sony's material as well as the extremetech article are talking about "Synergy" between local hardware - showing a stylized chip - and the cloud. [1/5]

@Natanox I started buying tiny HP computers on ebay, you can get them for around $85 (usd), they come with 8 gigs of ram, usb 3.1, display port out, all the ports you could possible need. The form factor is pretty small, and they have fast CPUS (i5's) I've pretty much given up on single board computers like the Pi.

The model I like is "HP EliteDesk 800 G2"

@Natanox all of the above in comparable database form: https://hackerboards.com/

@Natanox ey @polkillas mira el mensaje del que cuelga este. Creo que tiene un listado de varias alternativas a las raspis que andabas buscando :)

@Natanox Pine64 is awesome. I have a PinePhone and Pro, a PineTime, several Pinecils, PinePower, and some accessories. Great stuff.

I also have a Rock Pi 4 from Radxa that has been quite nice, it's running my home server and Home Assistant.

I just ordered an Indiedroid board from Ameridroid, RK3588 in a Pi B form factor. Looking forward to seeing a more powerful ARM SBC without the Pi foundation's antics.

@Natanox
Well that really sucks. Unfortunately I haven't found a single other SBC made by any of these companies that has the same level of software support while also working well in a self-built portable PC I made. Le Potato by Libre Computer comes closest, but no wifi/bluetooth is a huge bummer. I have a working RPi4 in it now though, so I probably have a good long time to find something suitable. Pis last for ages.

@Natanox RPi has abandoned their original customer base. It's a shame, they had so much potential but they got greedy once corporate money started rolling in. RPi has become a shell of its former shelf, it is a true tragedy to micro computing, but I hope that RPi's death will be the catalyst to encourage alternative SBCs to compete in the market.

@Natanox Lately, I’ve been using Rockchip-based SBC’s and have been pretty happy with the software support. It sucks for things like Home Assistant since HA OS is primarily supported on RPi and Intel, so you have to run HA Supervised on anything else.

@Natanox Thank you for this list! I really appreciate it.

Why did Orange Pi get dropped?

@Natanox thanks for the list! hey @ivangayton do you have experience with any of the #RaspberryPi alternatives listed above?

@Natanox Man finally some drama that doesn't make me want to die inside

@Natanox This would be a problem if they sold #RaspberryPi

@Natanox Do you have source for those claims? Havn't heard about it before hand an i would like to read into it.
Also: Your alternatives are mainly Chinese or USA based organizations that are not transparent as Raspberry Pi is. Is it wise to jump away from transparent organizations to intransparent organizations right away?
And in my experience long term support isn't there for hardware alternatives. Had bad trouble to even find open source kernels in some cases.

@Natanox https://mangopi.org/ makes small SBC boards with pin compatible headers but based on the RISC-V architecture, which unlike ARM doesn't require licensing. RISC-V support is working its way in to mainline in Linux and various BSDs.

@Natanox I'm really disappointed in raspberry pi. I have followed their progress since the announcement of the first generation, and I bought the first 3 models. At the time it seemed a great open platform with just the proprietary SOC to solve. But when I learned years ago that they all used windows in their office I realised open hardware / FOSS was not their goal. All their later actions have proven this.

RIP the dream

@Natanox orangepi is also good, I used one previously

@Natanox
I'd add Orange Pi to the list. I haven't used one myself, but they do make an AIO keyboard computer.
http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/orange-pi-800.html

@Natanox there's also the orange pi. I got one of them, orange pi 5, to see if it's good enough to be used as my main machine. It seems so
http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/Orange-Pi-5.html

@Natanox pine64 isn’t better, they have used first wave users as beta testers and used designs for some of their products without respecting ip and in some cases didn’t even pay their freelance employees but using their designs or code anyway, to maximize their profits.

@Natanox@chaos.social this is the beginning of the end of Raspberry Pi

@Natanox I'm bookmarking this. Thank you for finding alternatives.

@Natanox@chaos.social I called it as soon as they hired that ex cop! Glad I traded mine for something else.

@Natanox cheers for the heads up. I'm thinking of building my own Shadowrun style BSD deck and was looking into RbPI for internals, but seems like there's no point in starting with publicly traded surveilance box now.. back to the drawing board it is . Cheers 🤘

@Natanox Are any of these supported in mainline Linux? That's always a deal-breaker for me (and many other people) as I can't trust the company to keep the device updated forever, and unfortunately Raspberry Pi is the only one actually doing that as far as I know :(

@Natanox@chaos.social BPI R3 is lovely to make routers

@Natanox

This has been a really informative thread. I had no idea this was going on and I just wanted to thank everyone for sharing info on alternate devices and their experience with them.
Thanks all 👍

@Natanox

Very annoying as RPi sort of is the only existing "european" manufacturer/developer, with a good cause and a smashing community.

@Natanox

Also:

- https://www.hardkernel.com/ - they have some very nice odroid boards. Their HC4 is a nice little disk server
- http://www.orangepi.org/ - I'm running one of their 16GB Orange PI 5s as a Home Assistant / prometheus / grafana / postgresql server in my #homelab

@Natanox oh dear

raspberry pi? more like raspberry goodbye...

@Natanox my favorite part is "while I'm involved in running the thing, I don't expect people to see any change in how we do things."

which is being used as a "oh it will be fine!" quote but it also literally spells out what happens if/when he is removed or resigns

@Natanox I like ASUS Tinker Board if you're still willing to add to the list: https://www.asus.com/us/networking-iot-servers/aiot-industrial-solutions/all-series/tinker-board/

Couldn't find any mention on a quick skim.

@Natanox Why?? Why does everyone enshitify??? *sighs heavily*

@2ndStar

Oops:

"First #RaspberryPi earned a shitstorm by hiring an ex-cop specialized in hidden surveillance.

Now they accept an investment by Sony for their propr. AI engine to be included in the next Pi. Which 👉"only sends metadata to the cloud".👈"

https://chaos.social/@Natanox/110220871952686421

@Natanox