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 @DamienMarieAtHope people say they understand, or stay silent, am not sure they do. And it might not be symmetric in the real world, and maybe the image isn't helpful in preparing people. It doesn't tell people about selection in media, or tell them to consider the impacts and reasons of actions of "their" side, even if the other side is bad.. @DamienMarieAtHope Yes nationalism is terrible, nations should never fight to throw out imperialists, just let 'em steal what they want, right? That Gandhi, he was a terrible nationalist, always banging on about India... And George Washington? Once a colony always a colony, that's what I say! Down with Nationalism! @tomclearwood I want all states to end, capitalism a thing of the past, all borders removed, and for us to live as one humanity, one global human family. @DamienMarieAtHope Clearly the only route to that outcome is for 99.9% of humans to die first! Even then it would be highly unlikely... @tomclearwood There was a time when all the world had slavery and then that changed, once the thought of not having kings what some far off fantasy but now most kings are a thing of the past.  @DamienMarieAtHope @tomclearwood Have you joined Sennacieca Asocio Tutmonda (SAT) yet? @DamienMarieAtHope The Worldwide Anational Association in English, but they use Esperanto rather than any national language for international communication @tomclearwood he’s probably unaware of civic nationalism plus other positive forms. It’s ignorant to think nationalism only equally fascism. @DamienMarieAtHope  @tomclearwood @DamienMarieAtHope While administrative and political maps are useful for keeping government at local scales, to serve different populaces with different needs, why should it be anything more than that why do political boundaries have to define nations this much, nations aren't countries. Besides, even the idea of a "country" means different things in different countries. Sometimes states inside countries act like countries, sometimes unions of countries act like countries. @DamienMarieAtHope original artwork by Tom Gauld with option to buy prints: https://www.tomgauld.com/shop/mrs-tittlemouse-print-r3l99 @DamienMarieAtHope there are 7 forms of nationalism, some very positive. This illustration is the polar opposite of civic nationalism. @DamienMarieAtHope this is also interesting if you consider nationalist ideals in an oppressed nation. For example, before American independence, was the pride in the ideals of America, a bad thing? Their beloved land, their noble leaders, etc. I think we can value things, and I think extremism in any particular thing is generally bad news. @triadne The ideas sounded good until you read who was not equal, power to the people is a good cause but it was never meant to be an full democracy, not for women or non white men. America was a slave nation and a sexist, racist, and capitalist rich over workers legacy country. @DamienMarieAtHope good points well made, but this is all a bit of this and a bit of that. When looking at the core concept of loving where you live and wanting the best for your neighbours, it only gets bad when you have corruption and inequality, but these are not fundamentals of nationalism, they are products of greed, lust for power, etc. Charity starts at home and all that. We start with love for ourself, then for our neighbour, then country, then other countries, etc.  I have nothing much in common with the rich and powerful of my country. Most of them disgust me. I have more in common with the poor of other nations. The national narrative is bs to benefit the few at the top of a country by praying on the poor and gullible. @DamienMarieAtHope yeah, it's a frequent problem >.< I totally recommend checking out his work, though, it's a bit good! :D @DamienMarieAtHope "I don’t remember saving the French at all. I went through the last ten calls on my cell phone and there’s nothing from the French, looking for muscle on a project. I checked my pants; there’s no mud stains on the knees from when we were garroting Krauts in the trenches at Verdun. I think *we* didn’t do anything but watch sports bloopers while we got hammered. I think *we* should shut the fuck up." - Doug Stanhope |
@DamienMarieAtHope this image works the same (or better) with the superfluous in-your-throat commentary removed and the attribution (tom gauld) added.