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ninpnin :flag_bisexual:

@AgreeableLandscape @yogthos "I have nothing to hide.."

It's true that TikTok being Chinese doesn't really pose an extra threat to the average western citizen. But your data there is probably one of the most private collections of information about you that anyone has. Chances are they know your gender, sexuality, age and all kinds of private stuff you're into. Cause, you know, people use TikTok _a lot_ and that subsequently reveals a lot about them.

Be mindful of that when you use any of these hyperpersonalized apps.

26 Mar 2023 at 13:50 | Wall-to-wall | Open on tech.lgbt
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Yogthos

@ninpnin @AgreeableLandscape people living in the west should be a lot more concerned about their own governments collecting this sort of information via western companies because these governments actually have agency over western citizens unlike China

26 Mar 2023 at 13:59 | Open on mas.to
ninpnin :flag_bisexual:

@yogthos @AgreeableLandscape My point is you should also be wary of nongovernmental entities getting private information on you.

In my western European country, thousands of people's mental health records were leaked cause the company just didn't really care to put any effort into handling the data securely. That didn't involve any government mishandling (apart from too lax data privacy laws), and still had devastating results for the involved.

Personally, I feel uneasy about a company having a record of me and millions of others consuming eg. lgbt content, especially if it's tied to a phone number and pictures of my face.

@yogthos @AgreeableLandscape My point is you should also be wary of nongovernmental entities getting private information on you.

In my western European country, thousands of people's mental health records were leaked cause the company just didn't really care to put any effort into handling the data securely. That didn't involve any government mishandling (apart from too lax data privacy laws), and still had devastating results for the involved.

26 Mar 2023 at 15:21 | Open on tech.lgbt
Yogthos

@ninpnin @AgreeableLandscape I think the western system is the worst of all worlds, you have largely unregulated companies who collect personal information and sell it to anyone who'll pay for it, including the government.

At least in China there are actual privacy laws and limits on what information companies are allowed to collect wsj.com/articles/china-passes-

26 Mar 2023 at 20:26 | Open on mas.to
ninpnin :flag_bisexual:

@yogthos @AgreeableLandscape To me 21st century China is truly the worst of both worlds. So I guess our perceptions of reality diverge so fast now that productive conversation is impossible.

26 Mar 2023 at 20:40 | Open on tech.lgbt
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@ninpnin trust you about China? Why would we do that? Do you live there? Have you experienced it? Do you know the languages or the cultures there? Do you personally know literally anything about what life is like there outside of cherry picked media?

( @yogthos @adiz )

26 Mar 2023 at 21:21 | Open on mastodon.social
ninpnin :flag_bisexual:

@AgreeableLandscape @yogthos @adiz@outerkosm.us I know several people who have lived there, some of which were born there.

26 Mar 2023 at 22:26 | Open on tech.lgbt
Yogthos

@ninpnin @AgreeableLandscape same here, and sounds like people we know have a different impression. There is such a thing as selection bias.

27 Mar 2023 at 12:12 | Open on mas.to
ninpnin :flag_bisexual:

@yogthos @AgreeableLandscape Selection bias is irrelevant here, I only wanted to rebut the claim that I only get my information from "cherry picked media".

Of course people who left the country have a different impression of those who ended up staying there. And those who hang out in ML circles, for that matter. I'm well aware of that, and I hope you are too.

27 Mar 2023 at 12:49 | Open on tech.lgbt
Yogthos replied to ninpnin

@ninpnin @AgreeableLandscape sure that's fair, but when you look at any actual statistics from China they show far higher levels of happiness and government satisfaction than pretty much anywhere in the west.

So, it's not just my biases or those of people who hang out in ML circles. This is the view of the vast majority of people who actually live in China.

27 Mar 2023 at 13:17 | Open on mas.to
ninpnin :flag_bisexual: replied to Yogthos

@yogthos @AgreeableLandscape Where does the discrepancy between China's internal statistics and international happiness surveys come from?

27 Mar 2023 at 13:31 | Open on tech.lgbt
Yogthos replied to ninpnin

@ninpnin @AgreeableLandscape what discrepancy are you referring to?

27 Mar 2023 at 14:03 | Open on mas.to
ninpnin :flag_bisexual: replied to Yogthos

@yogthos @AgreeableLandscape Well, China does not appear anywhere near the top of world happiness report. Please let me know what data you prefer over that. I assume you have some.

27 Mar 2023 at 14:08 | Open on tech.lgbt
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