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jbgi

@yogthos @temochka for me what is surreal is that some people still think that USSR was remotely communist at some point.

24 Mar 2023 at 10:14 | Wall-to-wall | Open on todon.eu
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Yogthos

@jbgi @temochka you must have a private definition of communism then

24 Mar 2023 at 12:00 | Open on mas.to
jbgi

@yogthos @temochka The communist party of the USSR it-self never affirmed to have achieved communism, so who am I to judge...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communis

24 Mar 2023 at 13:19 | Open on todon.eu
Yogthos

@jbgi @temochka it's true, the party worked towards communism which is a process and something that nobody has achieved to date as far as I'm aware. Socialism is the transitional stage and that's the stage USSR was at.

However, claiming that it was not ideologically communist is pure nonsense.

24 Mar 2023 at 14:08 | Open on mas.to
jbgi

@yogthos @temochka "we are concretely doing authoritarian state capitalism, but that's ok because we are ideologically communist."
yeah, right...

24 Mar 2023 at 14:20 | Open on todon.eu
Yogthos

@jbgi @temochka capitalism is a system of capital accumulation by people who own the capital. Who was accumulating capital in USSR?

24 Mar 2023 at 15:10 | Open on mas.to
jbgi replied to Yogthos

@yogthos @temochka the state was, hence the bureaucratic class who was in control of the state.

24 Mar 2023 at 15:14 | Open on todon.eu
Yogthos replied to jbgi

@jbgi @temochka the bureaucratic class was not directly benefiting or accumulating wealth. It didn't produce oligarchs and billionaires the way actual capitalism does.

And you need a bureaucracy to operate any non trivial organization. This has nothing to do with communism or capitalism.

You seem profoundly confused here.

24 Mar 2023 at 15:18 | Open on mas.to
jbgi replied to Yogthos

@yogthos @temochka see the work of Milovan Đilas (*The New Class),* Mervyn Matthews (*Privilege in the Soviet Union*) and many others documenting the ruling class privileges in the USSR.
And their is a continuation : 60% of elites in the Vladimir Putin regime had nomenklatura backgrounds.

24 Mar 2023 at 16:05 | Open on todon.eu
Yogthos replied to jbgi

@jbgi @temochka buddy, I literally grew up in USSR. I know exactly what life and privileges in USSR were like.

Trying to pretend that inequality there was in any way comparable to capitalism is the height of intellectual dishonesty.

24 Mar 2023 at 16:31 | Open on mas.to
Yogthos replied to Yogthos

@jbgi @temochka

We only need to look at this study showing an unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths after the transition to capitalism to see just how utterly absurd your argument is

* academic.oup.com/cje/advance-a

24 Mar 2023 at 17:05 | Open on mas.to
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