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Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

A story in three parts.

Seriously. How can you be someone who claims to help game developers, when you compare a game launch and not giving up to some of the richest companies around?

Lots of developers donโ€™t have a big source of funding to recover from a bad launchโ€ฆ

Again, itโ€™s a terrible comparison and incredibly unhelpful.

Yeah Google and Tesla didnโ€™t give up! Learn from their example! Just have lots of money! Justin TV had seed funding etc.

Game devs treat their launches as such a huge thing. 

"If the launch fails, it's over!"

Can you tell me, when Microsoft launched? 

Do you remember it? 

Tesla? 
Twitch?
Youtube?
Facebook?

How did these look like at launch?
This is a very very poor comparison, that totally detracts from any point you could hope to make that just ends up looking a bit ridiculous.

I shouldnโ€™t even need to explain why itโ€™s different because the answer is so obvious.
They blocked me
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Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

Thereโ€™s so many more reasons why their comparisons fails that I could go on and on but instead of properly clarifying or making a better comparison: locked replies to who they follow and blocked me. Not a good look.

Aaron Mills :heart_trans:

@gamingonlinux
Plus, she's naming companies that succeeded and built a base of customers prior to any "failed" launches.

Obviously we know of them!

Reminds me of this.

A diagram of a plane with red bullet holes. It represents where planes were hit and made it safely home. It is an example of survivorship bias.
Dek ๐Ÿ‘จโ€๐Ÿš€๐Ÿง๐Ÿš€ (

@gamingonlinux
I see Twitter toxicity is still going great.
No discussions allowed! Only snarky comments.

garpu

@gamingonlinux Microsoft launched like 40 years ago! It was a completely different scene.

Cheeseness

@gamingonlinux Ha ha ha, they even use Among Us an example rather than a statistical anomaly

Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

@Cheeseness Yeah, Among Us had basically no players until a *massive* streamer picked it up, then all the others did - pure random chance

catraxx

@gamingonlinux Just be rich, you heard it here first, folks.

Trantion

@gamingonlinux well I know Microsoft "launched" by winning the contract to put MS-DOS on IBM PCs. That was a pretty big deal for a then tiny company

Mausu

@gamingonlinux Comparing a videogame, usually a one-time experience, to social media platforms and a car company is so ridiculous. Only online games are really expected to outperform their launch figures over time. Even then, those games often make their money back by being extremely sketchy and money-grubbing. As you put it, any point she's trying to make here is basically moot

eagerpebble

@gamingonlinux Geez, doesn't she know that sort of drivel belongs on LinkedIn where it can get all of the critical thought-free praise it can hope for?

ticho

@gamingonlinux To be fair, you also did not help with your smug reaction of "you're wrong, but I can't be arsed to explain why".

I would have blocked you too in their place.

Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

@ticho it wasnโ€™t smug at all, it was a completely stupid comparison

Vittelius

@gamingonlinux @ticho of course it was. But the two aren't mutually exclusive. She was confidently wrong, and you made clear, that you weren't interested in a constructive exchange. So she blocked you, which is kind of expected twitter behaviour.

Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

@Vittelius @ticho again, there was nothing "smug" about it, it's not smugness to point out a comparison is terrible

ticho

@gamingonlinux @Vittelius If you're making an argument on a public forum, you're making it not only for the person you're replying to, but also for whomever else will be reading the conversation.

Therefore you should always say not just "you're wrong", but "you're wrong because ...".

If you do not support your argument, you might as well as post "Nuh-uh!", and the quality of the discussion would be the same.

If you could spell it out for us here, why not in your original reply on twitter?

Maksym Hazevych

@gamingonlinux @ticho from my standpoint โ€” neither of you wanted constructive conversation. Both of you just released your frustration there. You ended the conversation by refusing to elaborate, she ended by blocking you. I say this is a win-win situation

Simon Roth

@gamingonlinux She's a game dev "influencer".. There are quite a few about just working to build a brand and an audience, without ever really having much of a grip on the industry. They've got something to sell so spend all day farming engagement. Baffling so many real devs follow them.

Rob

@gamingonlinux yes the comparison is very much apples and oranges.
Without a good source of funding the launch is the make or break for most indi-developers. In most cases you get lucky or you don't. Sometimes you just need to recognize the potential for growth even when it doesn't go as well as you'd hoped. If you have any audience you do have opportunity to turn things around by listening to feedback & making improvement. Listening to feedback is often underrated.

Steven Hilton

@gamingonlinux the indie game market is much much more crowded in 2023 than the PC OS market in 1981. And Microsoft initially only had one customer: IBM, which contracted with them to make the os.

Dark Photon Studio

@gamingonlinux "Forget it, Jake, it's ฬถCฬถhฬถiฬถnฬถaฬถtฬถoฬถwฬถnฬถ Twitter."

Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

@gamingonlinux yeah its not like games make almost all of their money in their first week/month/year

*touches earpiece* wait they do?

Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

@eniko Some people think my reply was rude, certainly wasn't meant to be, more just blunt on how silly their tweet was because it's a ludicrous comparison...

Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

@gamingonlinux I think it was the right amount of rude for such a completely uninformed take

Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

@eniko heh, shame, blocking me instead of giving me time to expand on the why clearly tells me they're not in it to learn or help - just push their services, which they don't even understand

DeepBlue V7.X

@gamingonlinux They are also missing the point. You can't look at the planes that make it back to say, that it worked fine. Small game companies might be developing one game and if the launch fails, they can't just double their investment and restart. Microsoft could have failed when they originally started. They made it, but many companies did not survive to become the developer of the dominant desktop operating system. But you already know that, preaching to the choir here, I guess :D

wakame

@gamingonlinux
My first thought: Really terrible comparison.

Second thought: You could have been a bit less mean to her.

(After research) Third thought: Wait, they want to help game developers? A bit more knowledge about the game industry would help. But maybe they are more design than business people.

Fourth thought: Multiple spaces between words on their website? Okay, not designers either.

Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

@wakame I wasn't "mean" to her. I was blunt, but there's no meanness in that reply. There's a difference between being mean to someone, and firmly arguing against their point.

From their other posts, they really don't know what they're talking about, and they're trying to get developers into their service.

wakame

@gamingonlinux Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. The thoughts where more meant as a timeline ๐Ÿพ

If this was a person who... IDK, was creative but didn't really understand the game industry (or the margins of indie game companies etc.), then I would have understood her perspective.

That was before I had a look at her/their website.

Colgrave

@gamingonlinux it is so funny when people dont agree with u, they just block you XD classic twitter

Rafael - Yakultjapa

@gamingonlinux Microsoft have the Gates Family background, where his mother, Mary Maxwell Gates, had contact with John Opel, CEO of IBM at time, in 1980s where is possible talk about son's startup software company and then Opel talk to other executives and director where weeks later end up hiring the services of Microsoft in creating first OS for personal Computers.

So it's would be easy if your mother have some contact with a member of board director of a triple AAA company to give a chance.

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