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Chris Trottier

Tired of headlines like this, so I'm answering the question myself.

Will the Fediverse survive if Meta joins it?

Yes! Absolutely -- and no other answer is worth considering.

But let's consider the alternative anyway: if the Fediverse can't survive one big company joining the fray, it doesn't deserve to survive at all.

Thankfully, that's not the case.

Hundreds of developers feel very passionately about the Fediverse's continued existence. It won't just survive, but thrive too.

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Philipp Steinkrüger

@atomicpoet Exactly! This was what the Fediverse was built to survive after all. This is the first major test. If it doesn't, then it's back to the drawing boards.

Lea

@atomicpoet Of course it "deserves" to survive. What kind of question is that--what does "deserve" to survive even mean, and who decides that? It will survive because people will use it. But my prediction is that it won't be at all like you think.

Most people on the big platforms (Twitter, FB/Meta) *like* their walled garden ecosystem and the way it works (or used to until EM messed with it). They *want* the broadcaster/consumer model, where they can scroll through news feeds and big influencers' hot takes for them to react to, and may hope to become an influencer themselves (big dopamine).

Of the people who've come to Mastodon, some like it and will stay (the ones who prefer this type of platform but just didn't know it existed or hadn't been driven to try it before), but most of them are just waiting for the next big player to come in as a drop-in replacement for Twitter. They're just hanging out here and a couple other places until they can get on another giant walled garden that's without the problems that drove them from Twitter.

When that happens, whether it's Meta or Google or whatever, those people will flock to it and it will take control by sheer force of numbers. Using an AP-like protocol (which they will of course extensively modify for their own purposes) and calling the platform "decentralized" will mean very little with their massive billion+ user instance as the dominant force on it.

Existing Mastodon instances will decide whether to join with that or defederate from it. People will choose their side and change instances as necessary, and it will all settle out to pretty much how things were before, with a small (though certainly bigger than before) fediverse and the giant walled garden that replaces Twitter.

@atomicpoet Of course it "deserves" to survive. What kind of question is that--what does "deserve" to survive even mean, and who decides that? It will survive because people will use it. But my prediction is that it won't be at all like you think.

Most people on the big platforms (Twitter, FB/Meta) *like* their walled garden ecosystem and the way it works (or used to until EM messed with it). They *want* the broadcaster/consumer model, where they can scroll through news feeds and big influencers'...

Chris Trottier

@leadore It’s quite simple: If the Fediverse cannot survive Meta, then it failed to accomplish its goals (e.g., to survive).

Regarding what you think people want, sure, they can stay on their walled gardens. But then they’ll have to follow the whims of whoever’s in charge, and they’ll have to tolerate that until they don’t.

If certain people believe that the Fediverse is in need of centralization, well, why are they here?

Lea

@atomicpoet
The fediverse can't *beat* Meta (or whichever giant corp) to be the dominant social media network, but it can always *survive* Meta/whoever, as long as there are some people who want to use it. Nothing can stop people from running instances and connecting to others' instances, even if there aren't many of them. Nothing to do with "deserving" anything or not.

>"If certain people believe that the Fediverse is in need of centralization, well, why are they here?"
- Like I say, that set of people are here while they're waiting until the next big Twitter-like alternative comes along. Some of them hope(d) Mastodon could become that for them and have been trying to get Mastodon to implement more of Twitter's features to make it into (what they consider) a viable replacement for it, and some of that work might happen, but inevitably corporate interests will take over that niche, because that's what the masses will move to.

@atomicpoet
The fediverse can't *beat* Meta (or whichever giant corp) to be the dominant social media network, but it can always *survive* Meta/whoever, as long as there are some people who want to use it. Nothing can stop people from running instances and connecting to others' instances, even if there aren't many of them. Nothing to do with "deserving" anything or not.

Chris Trottier

@leadore Meta isn’t some all-powerful entity. They can be beaten.

Lea

@atomicpoet It might not be Meta, even probably not them.

Mr Huffle

@atomicpoet I have strong Microsoft flashbacks on this one: adopt a standard and start messing with it by doing things slightly different. And saying: for the full experience, stick to our Tools, our platform, our service. You might have to accept ads or pay for it, though.

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