@atomicpoet since our smartphones are basically always on, it seems they're a viable option for hosting a web app. So how long until we can reliably do that?

@atomicpoet so, that would be still nearly impossible for me?

@atomicpoet Or have decent and simple backup systems without the small print.

Even Arq, which is as simple as.you can get is a no-go for a non IT oriented user. I let my sons grandmother set it up. It was very funny, but not really. 😁

I certainly support your positive stance, but I'm afraid I find it risky to hold my breath. There're too many companies and people making huge amounts of money by keeping it complicated and blurry.

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Today you can use a hosting service who run, update, backup host applications such as Nextcloud. No IT knowledge needed.

Sure, they could spy on my data. But it's better to have pros working 'for' me than big business making their own decisions and changing stuff.

LibremOne lots of open source apps too. And I think Mozilla could provide trusted hosting, 'and' make an income.

@atomicpoet with IPv6 and the absurdly large address space it has (theoretically 2^128 addresses) I don’t see how difficult it is for ISPs to assign a static, fixed IPv6 address for each of and all their customers. Even just a single IPv6 subnet has 2^64 addresses, or about 4 billion times the entire IPv4 address space (which already has around 4.3 billion addresses), which is enough to give every single human being on Earth an IPv6 address, several billion times over.

@atomicpoet Raspberry PI + traefik + docker containers is a good chunk of the solution.

Create a admin interface that is both local and cloud i.e. Meraki.

Back in grad school ('06) I was pursuing an idea called the "ShotBox" which was a mini-itx + Gallery2 for hosting your photos. The time might be right for it now.

@atomicpoet Something I try to wrap my head around is the endless bureaucratic legal risk.. what is my site isn't GDPR compliant, or I don't have a proper privacy and data removal upon request process. People may not enroll on my private server, but doesn't me hosting their posts place liability on me for knowing how to manage these. It feels like you need a legal degree, even if you already know how to set up a basic server with wordpress support.

@atomicpoet I’m genuinely curious, does DigitalOcean et.al. count as self-hosting in this context, or is it about having hardware under your own roof?

@atomicpoet Synology has done a great job to make servers accessible for non-tech people. The roadblock is still there on the software side of the apps you install :(

@atomicpoet Although I get why this is not ready for the average user, having recently rebuilt a self-hosted media server using https://yams.media and going from blank OS to functional in an hour, we're getting closer and closer. This used to be something I would clear a weekend for, and then expect to be tuning for the next week off and on.Hell, even updates to stuff like this might take an afternoon. now i can just do “yams restart" and my updates are handled...

@atomicpoet The admins who manage my server seem to be the right people for the job. Managing Postgres with large number and all the storage needs is a lot of work. I considered setting up my own server and have managed servers in the past, but really don’t want the extra work. I hope good cloud products are launched similar to the Wordpress model. It would be very popular.