Gregory's Server@tofugolem @mrbadger42 it certainly seems so in more recent history western history. I wonder about classical euro and the rest of the world's empires. either way, I think Kurt's quote is still alright in that, whether or not the first, is certainly what we're seeing here.
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There's some quote by a famous ancient Greek philosopher in which he insisted that every tyranny started out as a democracy, and something about that quote makes me think something similar was at play in whatever cases he was talking about.