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MrBadger42

We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost-effective. Kurt Vonnegut, American writer and novelist (1922 2007)

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Tofu Golem

@mrbadger42
There's nothing unique about us.

Plenty of other civilizations in history self-destructed because some class of wealthy people couldn't stop stuffing their pockets with blood money.

benda

@tofugolem @mrbadger42 I don't know, I think there's something unique to a society as a whole embracing it. the media is one thing, but Americans in general know what's going on. in the sense that they know very few people have almost everything and control the state and everyone else is getting screwed. but did their analogues throughout history go "oh, well it just has to be that way. it would be too burdensome to ask for seconds". I'm genuinely asking, I don't know a whole lot of history.

Tofu Golem

@benda @mrbadger42
Once most of the wealth and power are in the hands of the few, you either give up and try to deal with it as best as you can, or burn everything to the ground.

I'm sure some history buff will set me straight about that, but the former seems to happen more than you would think.

benda

@tofugolem @mrbadger42 it certainly seems so in more recent history western history. I wonder about classical euro and the rest of the world's empires. either way, I think Kurt's quote is still alright in that, whether or not the first, is certainly what we're seeing here.

Tofu Golem

@benda @mrbadger42
There's some quote by a famous ancient Greek philosopher in which he insisted that every tyranny started out as a democracy, and something about that quote makes me think something similar was at play in whatever cases he was talking about.

Andrew Jon Thomson

@mrbadger42 this goes hand-in-hand with another Vonnegut quote that the epitaph of our planet will be “they could have saved it but they were too cheap and lazy”

Chris Boese

@mrbadger42 @lakelady Vonnegut, who worked as a tech writer and a PR writer at GE during the time it was dumping PCBs into the Hudson up by Schenectady

Evey

@mrbadger42 Whoa, now this is something to think about, often.

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