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Carl T. Bergstrom

Here is your must-read article for the day, a profile of @emilymbender, and her efforts to deflate the ridiculous hype around large language models such as ChatGPT.

It's also about the people who are behind that hype, and about what their way of thinking has the potential to do to us.

It's worth reading all the way to the end.

nymag.com/intelligencer/articl

14 comments
bencourtice

@ct_bergstrom @emilymbender in which 2 shipwrecked people accidentally open a direct line to Cthulhu (who, it turns out, doesn't know what a bear is)

The Crafty Miss

@ct_bergstrom Some of the positions of the dudes in the piece are chilling. I am, once again, begging techbros and their breathless enablers to dip their toes into the humanities so they can appreciate what humans and people are

leonhard volz

@ct_bergstrom @emilymbender

I find it weirdly striking of how much in this debate just seems like a "affirming the consequent" fallacy - in what world is the brain is a computer => a computer is a brain sound in any way?!

Similarly, granted that a bunch of human learning is associative - that doesn't mean all of it is, or that any associative learning would be human

IanNick

@tomdewar @ct_bergstrom @emilymbender just what the world needs right now: Believable BullshitEngines.

Griz, Some Guy on Mastodon

@ct_bergstrom @emilymbender
I am going to try to make "stochastic parrot" a part of my usual lexicon. I know what you mean, but lack the education to say it near as well.

Andreas

This part about relationship is what is actually going on. If you research history of psychology, this exact sort of "rationality", that people were rational - machine-like - was what dominated the field of psychology before the Holocaust.

It's like seeing history repeat itself. The reason the rich need to blur the line between human and machine is because it erodes a frontier where humans can be in solidarity with each other. If you are but complex machine, no better than ChatGPT, then into the gas chamber you go!

Bullshitters will say "the machines have feelings, they're as meaningful as you or me". The real impact of this is a change in perception that humans do not have (real) feelings.

From the article:

> They sat at a small table covered with a black cloth, Bender in a purple sweater, Manning in a salmon button-down shirt, passing a microphone back and forth, taking turns responding to questions and to each other by saying “I like going first!” and “I’m going to disagree with that!” On and on they went, feuding. First, over how kids learn language. Bender argued that they learn in relationship with caregivers; Manning said learning is “self-supervised” like an LLM. Next, they fought about what’s important in communication itself. Here, Bender started by invoking Wittgenstein and defining language as inherently relational: “a pair of interlocutors at least who were working together with joint attention to come to some agreement or near agreement on what was communicated.” Manning did not entirely buy it. Yes, he allowed, humans do express emotions with their faces and communicate through things like head tilts, but the added information is “marginal.”

nymag.com/intelligencer/articl

@ct_bergstrom @emilymbender

This part about relationship is what is actually going on. If you research history of psychology, this exact sort of "rationality", that people were rational - machine-like - was what dominated the field of psychology before the Holocaust.

It's like seeing history repeat itself. The reason the rich need to blur the line between human and machine is because it erodes a frontier where humans can be in solidarity with each other. If you are but complex machine, no better than ChatGPT, then into the gas chamber you go!

yoshimitsu

@ct_bergstrom @emilymbender I stopped reading at 'must read.'
Fucking idiots.

Abbey Jane 🇪🇺🏳️‍🌈 she/her

@ct_bergstrom @emilymbender Oh my, I'm reading this and going "exactly" with index finger pointed at the screen multiple times.

ares

@ct_bergstrom @emilymbender

So frustrating how conversation about #LLM and #ChatGPT completely misses the most important point.

We're so easily distracted by #SciFi questions like whether it's a mind, is it sentient, will it destroy humanity.

(No, no, and maybe.)

The most important point is that we (rightly) fear AI run amok because we (rightly) fear #capitalism run amok.

Yes, it hallucinates bogus facts.

Yes, it can be tricked into acting like a creepy stalker.

No, it doesn't simply predict the statistically most likely next word in a sequence.

It actually has an internal model of concepts and relationships, and can draw meaningful and truthful insights that are useful to humans.

In many cases, it's more useful than search engines or Wikipedia.

It's a powerful tool, and like all powerful tools, it will be used for good and for evil.

And you can bet that the evil uses are currently being accelerated and amplified by billionaires and profit-seeking corporations exploiting workers and customers and subverting democracy to enrich themselves.

Same as it ever was.

That's why the real point is that we need non-profit public-benefit organizations to drive safe and positive and trusted uses of this technology.

The Internet Archive, Wikipedia and craigslist are good examples.

The genie is out of the bottle. We can't wish this technology away.

Let's ensure it gets used for good.

Let's ensure humanity has a fighting chance against capitalism amplified by intelligent machines.

@ct_bergstrom @emilymbender

So frustrating how conversation about #LLM and #ChatGPT completely misses the most important point.

We're so easily distracted by #SciFi questions like whether it's a mind, is it sentient, will it destroy humanity.

(No, no, and maybe.)

The most important point is that we (rightly) fear AI run amok because we (rightly) fear #capitalism run amok.

vampirdaddy

@ct_bergstrom @emilymbender
Dasselbe Problem, über das Joseph Weizenbaum schon vor 56 Jahren mit seinem viel primitiveren "Eliza" gestolpert ist (siehe auch sein Buch: "Die Macht der Computer und die Ohnmacht der Vernunft", 1976)

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