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@aelman @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite @davew Please also note that I am not attempting to accost random non-savvy friends who don’t know better, but am instead responding to someone whose bio describes him as an editor for the New York Times. If a person I don’t know walks down the street talking about the “Joe Rogan podcast,” I feel no need or desire to correct them. If I see that phrase in America’s paper of record, I wonder if everything else in the paper is as poorly informed. 18 comments
@aelman @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite @davew right, they don’t know, which is why it’s important to tell them. This thread is ludicrous. Dave is right.  @pwinn @aelman @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite ignore the cynics. they never did anything useful but they sure do try to get in the way. @davew @pwinn @aelman @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite FWIW, I’m not trying to get in the way, I just think that framing this as "you're using the word wrong” when most everyone else (and most dictionaries) use the word that way is a losing battle and is counter-productive. I *do* think it’s worth fighting the real fight, which is (as Dave said in another post): the web should belong to no-one. @aelman @pwinn @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite we have work to do here. you are definitely getting in the way. podcasting is the same as the web. what you all are saying is that just by grabbing it spotify now owns it. 1. you're wrong 2. and who cares we have work to do. this is a pointless worthless time-wasting discussion. @davew @pwinn @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite I will shut up then.  @aelman @davew @pwinn @palafo @davidtoddmccarty I mean, I'm happy to agree with you that > framing this as "you're using the word wrong” is a good point. However, my contention would be that that's not my original framing. My original framing was to call out **journalists in the news** for refraining from calling out corporations who are abusing the term for their own gain. Big difference there. @jaredwhite @davew my argument (and I swear this is my last comment on this, because I said I’d shut up) is that those corporations are not “abusing the term for their own gain” - they're using the term CORRECTLY as it is popularly understood, but they’re engaging in a business practice that we think violates the spirit of the web. Arguing the semantics feels like a losing strategy to win a critical battle here. But TBH I don’t have a better one, so I’ll shut up. @jaredwhite @aelman @davew @pwinn @davidtoddmccarty I think a podcast with a paywall is still a podcast, in English. Would I pay for a podcast service? I give money to MaxFun, Relay and others. I am glad they don’t twist my arm. But there are many ways to raise revenue to support content. They can all coexist. It is up to the users @palafo @aelman @davew @pwinn @davidtoddmccarty Again, not the issue. I 100% agree with you that a podcast with a paywall is still a podcast… …as long as that podcast is provided via a unique URL which serves an RSS feed which can be loaded into my player (Pocket Casts). I actually subscribe to several membership podcasts behind a paywall, and this is exactly how it works! If exclusive shows from Apple, Spotify, and any others worked in this manner, there'd be no further debate necessary. @jaredwhite @aelman @davew @pwinn @davidtoddmccarty I prefer that as well and hope there is enough user pressure so that remains the standard. I do worry about fragmentation or companies breaking the open network. The ecosystem also seems overly reliant on the “free” Apple directory. @davew @aelman @pwinn @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite I agree with Dave. I think the web can flourish regardless of what various corporations do. They can’t buy the whole market. @aelman @pwinn @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite Why it's so important to get clear on what podcasting is. Because podcasting is like the web. And we're fighting for something much bigger than podcasting, something which *includes* podcasting, the ownership of the web itself. Google has been acting like the owner of the web for a few years. This is being covered up by the tech industry, but it is a fact and a public issue of the most importance. The web belongs to no one. Period. @davew @aelman @pwinn @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite I thought they were netcasts we loved, from people we trust.  @davew @aelman @pwinn @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite No-one except me. @davew @aelman @pwinn @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite Yep! The #Web is for everyone. @aelman @pwinn@qoto.org @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite @davew the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect? https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/231746/after-seeing-how-misinformed-an-article-is-in-a-newspaper-you-flip-the-page-and |
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@pwinn @palafo @davidtoddmccarty @jaredwhite @davew Having read many things in the NYT and other sources of generally-great journalism about things I know more about, I can say with confidence that you should never assume that any journalist is particularly well-informed about anything. 🤣 The good ones are trying hard, but they don’t know.