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Gregory

@af @sengi_app

Yes I thought about that a lot with #Smithereen. Mastodon doesn't address the problem of "you've picked an instance and signed up, now what" in a way most people would expect it addressed. It has public feeds and puts a great emphasis on an instance being a community. Which doesn't work very well in practice because people want to participate in many communities and having a separate account in each is too much of an investment.

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Gregory

@af @sengi_app

So Smithereen reduces instances to merely underlying infrastructure that gets out of the way as much as possible. You don't think much about mail servers when you send an email, and I want the same here. For communities, I have actual groups with walls in them (and more features to come in the future). You can join as many groups as your server could handle. Joining and leaving groups has basically no cost.

Gregory

@af @sengi_app

Regarding the aforementioned problem. Every single social service that has been successful had at least one of the two ways to bootstrap your social graph:

- Import an existing contact list, either from another service or your phonebook or your email contacts (Twitter, LinkedIn, Path, Foursquare, most IM apps)
- Global user search and profiles with lots of fields (Facebook, VK)

Most fediverse projects have none. I want to fix that. I have some ideas that need experimenting.

@af @sengi_app

Regarding the aforementioned problem. Every single social service that has been successful had at least one of the two ways to bootstrap your social graph:

- Import an existing contact list, either from another service or your phonebook or your email contacts (Twitter, LinkedIn, Path, Foursquare, most IM apps)
- Global user search and profiles with lots of fields (Facebook, VK)

Antoine-Frédéric
@grishka @sengi_app Hi, thanks for your answers, I just hadn’t noticed them until yesterday evening.

I don’t really know what Smithereens is, and I feel like I should know what it is to discuss what you’re doing (especially "you’ve got an account, now what"); neither your profile nor Ecosia seem to give me pointers.

As you mention, the stretch that is required to involve in different communities is so large that people might just see the barebones #microblog use case as a sort of bliss. It’s possible to build your own community by being followed by the right people, and it’s happened to me, by accident, on an account that I don’t control anymore (I can’t reset my password), but various settings are involved, among which there’s a sort of social meritocracy upfront.

Trying to grasp the attention of people who merely don’t give it to you is a sort of involuntary (or not) self-harm, but it might also expose users to accepting harmful relationships as a normalized habit. We could discuss about the toxic side effects of #SocialMedia for a long time…

As I don’t use ActivityPub so much these days, would you be so kind as to tell me what’s Smithereens? Humane Tech seems deeply interested into this.
@grishka @sengi_app Hi, thanks for your answers, I just hadn’t noticed them until yesterday evening.

I don’t really know what Smithereens is, and I feel like I should know what it is to discuss what you’re doing (especially "you’ve got an account, now what"); neither your profile nor Ecosia seem to give me pointers.
Gregory

@af @sengi_app it's my ActivityPub project. A VKontakte/Facebook-like social network with friends, walls, and groups. I noticed that no one made anything that would follow this pattern, so decided to make my own. Especially since I myself miss the atmosphere of that early VK so much.

github.com/grishka/Smithereen — code
friends.grishka.me/ — test instance (PM if you want an invite)

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