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Antoine-Frédéric
@sengi_app I’d suggest #SocialMedia and apps developers in general to precisely define what their use case is, and what it isn’t.

I really, really wish Mastodon wrote in its first-launch tutorial something like "Hello, social media by definition isn’t meant to make new friends, Mastodon somehow fixes this with local TLs but it’s still ’meritocratic’, if you’re already isolated AFK you might be interested in something else like IRC or Matrix; with #Twitter your database entries (e.g. tweets, files…) are shared by people who have no relationship with you and this format just isn’t meant for deep connections but instead for mass social consumerism; you may have intentional communities on Mastodon if your instance is properly moderated, but unlike honk(1) this is still a Twitter clone, and anyway on every small microblog instance, trying to have deep relationships with people will make you desperately try to grab people’s attention and give you this inner misanthropic and depression feeling; conversely small instances (including honk(1)) may be great if you use them to follow people who mostly talk about public interest matters like politics or cultural events, so choose your instance accordingly, and don’t hesitate to use other communication software"

#ActivityPub-related and #mastodev
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Gregory

@af @sengi_app

Yes I thought about that a lot with #Smithereen. Mastodon doesn't address the problem of "you've picked an instance and signed up, now what" in a way most people would expect it addressed. It has public feeds and puts a great emphasis on an instance being a community. Which doesn't work very well in practice because people want to participate in many communities and having a separate account in each is too much of an investment.

Gregory

@af @sengi_app

So Smithereen reduces instances to merely underlying infrastructure that gets out of the way as much as possible. You don't think much about mail servers when you send an email, and I want the same here. For communities, I have actual groups with walls in them (and more features to come in the future). You can join as many groups as your server could handle. Joining and leaving groups has basically no cost.

Gregory

@af @sengi_app

Regarding the aforementioned problem. Every single social service that has been successful had at least one of the two ways to bootstrap your social graph:

- Import an existing contact list, either from another service or your phonebook or your email contacts (Twitter, LinkedIn, Path, Foursquare, most IM apps)
- Global user search and profiles with lots of fields (Facebook, VK)

Most fediverse projects have none. I want to fix that. I have some ideas that need experimenting.

@af @sengi_app

Regarding the aforementioned problem. Every single social service that has been successful had at least one of the two ways to bootstrap your social graph:

- Import an existing contact list, either from another service or your phonebook or your email contacts (Twitter, LinkedIn, Path, Foursquare, most IM apps)
- Global user search and profiles with lots of fields (Facebook, VK)

Antoine-Frédéric
@grishka @sengi_app Hi, thanks for your answers, I just hadn’t noticed them until yesterday evening.

I don’t really know what Smithereens is, and I feel like I should know what it is to discuss what you’re doing (especially "you’ve got an account, now what"); neither your profile nor Ecosia seem to give me pointers.

As you mention, the stretch that is required to involve in different communities is so large that people might just see the barebones #microblog use case as a sort of bliss. It’s possible to build your own community by being followed by the right people, and it’s happened to me, by accident, on an account that I don’t control anymore (I can’t reset my password), but various settings are involved, among which there’s a sort of social meritocracy upfront.

Trying to grasp the attention of people who merely don’t give it to you is a sort of involuntary (or not) self-harm, but it might also expose users to accepting harmful relationships as a normalized habit. We could discuss about the toxic side effects of #SocialMedia for a long time…

As I don’t use ActivityPub so much these days, would you be so kind as to tell me what’s Smithereens? Humane Tech seems deeply interested into this.
@grishka @sengi_app Hi, thanks for your answers, I just hadn’t noticed them until yesterday evening.

I don’t really know what Smithereens is, and I feel like I should know what it is to discuss what you’re doing (especially "you’ve got an account, now what"); neither your profile nor Ecosia seem to give me pointers.
Gregory

@af @sengi_app it's my ActivityPub project. A VKontakte/Facebook-like social network with friends, walls, and groups. I noticed that no one made anything that would follow this pattern, so decided to make my own. Especially since I myself miss the atmosphere of that early VK so much.

github.com/grishka/Smithereen — code
friends.grishka.me/ — test instance (PM if you want an invite)

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