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🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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Thats like saying "fewer vaccines means fewer vaccine death", while technically true its also very poor logic. Sadly no, banning guns generally means more homicides overall.

Also who said anything about Canada. Sadly the body of the american data on this clearly disagrees with the assesment.

9 Jan 2023 at 22:00 | Open on qoto.org
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Andy Lowry

@freemo @protecttruth
I did not know that about banning guns = more homicide. What country or countries were studied for that result? Thanks!

9 Jan 2023 at 22:04 | Open on qoto.org
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@AndyLowry

Quite a few I've read about and even did studies on myself.

You can find 4 images showing this across 4 countries as an example here: qoto.org/@freemo/1037666922745

I can share many more examples if you'd like.. in fact the vast majority, with just a few exceptions of countries which banned guns show pretty much the same pattern.

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9 Jan 2023 at 22:08 | Open on qoto.org
Andy Lowry

@freemo @protecttruth
Thank you sir! That's really interesting; I'll look at the numbers here in a minute. 🙏

9 Jan 2023 at 22:25 | Open on qoto.org
Andy Lowry

@freemo @protecttruth
Wow, that's really interesting. I would not have suspected that. I suppose the reason we never hear about the real story is government's tendency to want to avoid embarrassment.

I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one actual war started (or continued) because of the embarrassment reaction. People are hard to figure. 😉

9 Jan 2023 at 22:36 | Open on qoto.org
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@AndyLowry

Its probably less about embarassment and more about wanting to appeal to the masses.

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9 Jan 2023 at 22:43 | Open on qoto.org
Void Abyss

@AndyLowry @protecttruth Wow I saw those charts it seems like banning guns gives criminals an unfair advantage against law abiding citizens hence more criminals using guns and more guns violence in general. Is that a fair assessment @freemo?

9 Jan 2023 at 22:33 | Open on qoto.org
Soylentgraham

@voidabyss @AndyLowry @protecttruth @freemo the graph's do not show banning guns, does not represent violence involving guns, and do not mention who the perpetrator and victim are

9 Jan 2023 at 22:57 | Open on qoto.org
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@Soylentgraham

It does indeed show the banning of broad classes of guns (handgubs). So id say its more than close enough

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9 Jan 2023 at 23:08 | Open on qoto.org
Andy Lowry

@voidabyss @protecttruth @freemo
If you spend much time amongst firearms enthusiasts, you'll hear that as one rationale for wanting to carry a gun. (Used to do competition shooting with revolvers and 1911 .45's as a hobby.) I don't know what the numbers say on that; never tried to track down any data on it.

9 Jan 2023 at 22:59 | Open on qoto.org
sturgman

@freemo @AndyLowry @protecttruth these images don't show causality and your explanation of Granger Causality is at best incomplete en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grange

9 Jan 2023 at 23:12 | Open on qoto.org
🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@sturgman

Of course its incomplete, this is social media afterall. It took me a life tine of study to become an expert on this subject, so that cant be conveyed in full over social media. But yes it does test for predictive causality. Which is a fancy way if sayibg does the existance of one event (gun law changes) predict another event (change in homicide). This is usually what we mean when we talk about causality.

@AndyLowry @protecttruth

9 Jan 2023 at 23:16 | Open on qoto.org
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