@krita ewwwwwww what

@krita so.. this is opt-in, right? ..right?

@Krita are you winning the war?

@Krita Oh ew! I thought "this must surely not be what they mean" but I read the FAQ and it's EXACTLY as bad as it sounds?! I've never been more relieved that I went with Krita instead. I hate that the people making the future look darker are the people who should help us paint it brighter. Good thing there's you guys at least ❤️

@Krita wtffff I hate this!

@krita Every time they update the t&c it will be reset back to opt in, Samsung etc do it with all their tracking stuff. If they want your data they will keep taking it an then say you let them.

@krita what are the limited circumstances that it doesn't apply?

@Krita sheesh... now that toggle feels even dirtier. Just a matter of time before they slip it to 'opt in' Microsoft style with an 'update/patch' without telling you.

@Krita Wait, what? They can override the option to not have them analyze our content?

@Krita This is the wave of the near-future. I bet similar "insta-scraping" will be done by all commercial "knowledge worker" tools, e.g., Word, Visual Studio, Figma, etc. What was "instrumentation" justified to find bugs is grist for the deep-learning mill. #AIEthics #SoftwareDevelopment #Instrumentation #Writing #KnowledgeWorker #Creatives

@krita
And I wonder what "certain limited circumstances" where it doesn't apply are. I guess whenever they feel like it.

@Krita@mastodon.art ​:ohgno:​ you will own nothing, not even your own paintings.

@Krita This setting doesn't apply in certain limited circumstances? What limited circumstances? Yeah that's pretty bad.

@krita 🤮 and of course this is an opt-out option.

Just use software that doesn't want to take advantage of your creative workflow without asking you first.

@krita Eugh. Imagine if Fender started selling records from popular artists because they use Stratocasters, or Yamaha sells their own records from random people who use their pianos. This is ghoulish, and I would assume no better from the ghouls at Adobe.

@krita 🤮

Absolutely disgusting eugh

@Krita holy shit, what "certain limited circumstance" does this setting not apply!? ugh

@Krita Ah, ok. I heard people saying that Adobe would skim your data for AI training, and I didn't get why that was a problem... Now I get it's because the AI being trained is making AI art.

Yeah, hard pass. Having your art used as training for AI art should always, ALWAYS be opt-in ONLY.

@krita wtf this is disgusting

@Krita have you checked out what it says under Learn More? Adobe is improving certain tools with it but not scraping for your images for AI generators. And your images need to be in the Cloud for it.

@Krita is this opt-in or opt-out?

@pluralistic

@Krita I threw up in my own mouth a little when I saw the "Learn to make an NFT" menu item in Photoshop... gotta hand it to Adobe; they really now how to jump on the worst bandwaggons imaginable.

@Krita krita being as based as always

@krita
"Ew" isn't the half of it. #Adobe is spying. What a horrible company.

@krita ...yeah, my former regret at losing an old free-with-the-laptop version of Photoshop when the machine died used to be a source of annoyance, but as time marches onward the annoyances of GIMP seem much less of an issue. (Note that I'm not using it extensively, nor have I checked to see if there's anything Horrible(TM) associated with it.)

@Krita Thank you for awareness.
Glad to use alternatives.

@Krita If you're not paying for it, you're the product, they say. In reality, it turns out, if you're paying a ton of money for closed-source software of a multi-million dollar company, then you're also the product.

Maybe it's not the price tag we should be looking at...

@Krita Adobe? More like fucking shit

@Krita You got to be kidding me. They just mustn't be serious.

@Krita This whole sh* is unbelievable.
I am glad I dont have to use photoshop anymore.

@krita

@krita #FuckAdobe

<3 Kdenlive.

@krita Nope. Just nope. Especially that it defaults to "Yes, Adobe can take all my hard work and use it for their own commercial gain in ways that I have no legal protection against!"

@Krita@mastodon.art WHAT THE ……????? 🤯🤯🤯
That's unacceptable!!!

@Krita Good thing you can turn it off.

@Krita I immediately went to turn it off when I saw this but past me already turned it off in a past privacy checkup. This has been an option for at least a year since I have been paying to not use my school’s subscription for 3 years. I don’t know why it is just being called out since I’ve known about this for years. They’ve been using machine learning to make presets in Lightroom for YEARS. Adobe first piloted AI features in Photoshop back in fall 2020

@krita Looks like this may be regional. Maybe outside the EU? My Adobe account doesn't show this option. Dodgy, though!

@Krita EW! and WTF!!!

@krita
Always interesting when what your competitors do is your own best advertisement.

@Krita I love monopolies. :blobcathearts:

@krita opted out of that long ago, been using Krita :)

@Krita this is madness

@krita wow, it's almost like Stallman was right all along, when he warned decades ago, that proprietary software can and will spy on its users.
And everyone were saying "that's crazy talk, why would anyone want to spy on MY stuff???".

@krita you are telling me the cloud was their cloud all along?

@krita
Imagine paying a monthly fee for your work to be used for free without your permission and no licensing statements

@krita Makes me glad I use tools like GIMP, Kdenlive, and of course Krita instead. No Adobe for me.

@krita I really believe that AI and machine learning are valuable tools. They are the way to the future.

The problem here is with how they are acquiring data for it. It is done without consent and in a way that only benefits the company itself.

This is definitely unethical and a violation of trust, especially for their own customers.

#Privacy #AI

@krita WELL... and they ask you to opt-out rather than opt-in? How convenient...

@Krita More reasons to not like Adobe.

@Krita gross.

@krita I don't use or intend to use any Adobe clouds but just out of curiosity - can this permission be turned off before Adobe uses all your (existing) cloud photos for AI ? Or does it only work for newly uploaded photos ?

@krita y'all the only one i trust. for reals.

@Krita I'm imaging this might give them permission to load your work into data set used by AIs to then general "original" work from.

This seems like something that would be fair for Adobe to pay for.

@Krita Photoshop is very slow, virtually unusable even in the past so folk say, so wouldn't be surprised if they've already done stuff like this for years.

@Krita there is atleast 1 alternitive to every Adobe product. and im glad your stance on this shit is ew.

@Krita The privacy line keeps shifting, ever in the corporation's favor. Humans have consistently proven they'll trade privacy for convenience every time.

@Krita haha I'm assuming this being Adobe it'll be opt-in by default? Capitalists gonna Capitalism

@Krita this is so serious and apparently it's by default opt in...good thing I always has been using #foss alternatives for their products. One more reason to advocate foss alternatives to their products.

@Krita Thanks for sharing......OFF

@krita Stopped using Creative Suite when they went subscription. Has helped me avoid a lot of nonsense.

@Krita imagine disrespecting your customers like that :l

@krita Basically they ask you permission to "invade" your privacy. The question I have is.. IF I say no to opt-in, how far does their machine learning still go? Like whatsapp that says they are privacy focus and they encrypt your data... my Pi-Hole tells a different story. Adobe might not push ads in your face (just yet), but its uncceptable that they need to collect data from your computer on how and for what you use their software. It is paid spyware.

@Krita

Would be good addition to the list:
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-adobe.html#content

@Krita I am no even more happy i stopped using Adope products a while ago.

@Krita WHAT THE FUCK

@Krita The pandora's box has literally been opened; everywhere you look now, you find such things.

@Krita So where is this part we can make sure we can opt-out for this? I can't find this part.