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Krita

Okay, we know... We made fun of Adobe when its cloud service went down. We've made fun of Corel Painter and Clip Studio. We joined in the protest No AI Generated Images protest. We made our stance on NFT's clear. But this is beyond making fun of. This is EW! EW! EW!

Screenshot from Adobe Account:

"Content analysis: Adobe may analyze your content using techniques such as machine learning (e.g., for pattern recognition) to develop and improve our products and services. If you prefer that Adobe not analyze your files to develop and improve our products and services, you can opt out of content analysis at any time. This setting does not apply in certain limited circumstances." 

And an opt-in button in the "On" state: "Allow my content to be analyzed by Adobe for product improvement and development purposes."
95 comments
Takiro 🎨

@krita
Wait! Does that mean Adobe is scanning your stuff while you're still working on it‽

Irina

@Takiro @krita Yes, that's exactly what it means. They can follow the process and use that for machine learning.

Count Regal Inkwell

@irina @Takiro @krita Never have I been so glad to only ever use pirated Adobe shit.

Snapai :verified_dragon:

@vinesnfluff @irina @Takiro @Krita ok but it's possible that the piracy part may not actually remove the machine learning part. Depending on both Adobe and the piracy engineers, it may actually make it impossible to *opt out* of it.

Count Regal Inkwell

@Snapai @irina @Takiro @krita I mean, the machine learning requires the program to connect to the internet so it can feed Adobe's robot(presumably), and every pirate worth their salt knows to block any and all connections between a pirated application and the internet.

Takiro 🎨

@vinesnfluff Even pirating is too expensive for using it still costs you your dignity.

basisbit 🦈🇪🇺🇺🇦

@Takiro @vinesnfluff Gimp and similar tools do exist. Also, many operating systems allow for disabling access to the internet for single applications, including Windows.

djsumdog
When I do have to use Windows, I have Windows 10 Firewall Control on the box to detect outgoing connects. I block almost every game that starts up that thinks it needs to talk to the Internet for some insane reason ... it's pretty much required for any pirated Adobe products to keep them from phoning home.
vergil iliescu

@Takiro @Krita The Adobe site specifically says they do this on files stored in Adobe Cloud, but not on files stored on your device. I don't know about "while you're working on it" - but I presume the answer is yes, if the file you are working on is being stored in the cloud. I've turned it off anyway of course.

okr

@krita so.. this is opt-in, right? ..right?

Petra Brandström

@Krita Oh ew! I thought "this must surely not be what they mean" but I read the FAQ and it's EXACTLY as bad as it sounds?! I've never been more relieved that I went with Krita instead. I hate that the people making the future look darker are the people who should help us paint it brighter. Good thing there's you guys at least ❤️

Fell
@Krita Software as a service is the worst thing humaniy has ever come up with. It has zero benefits for end users. (Not meaning pure distribution services, which have some benefit at least)
Ishashar

@krita Every time they update the t&c it will be reset back to opt in, Samsung etc do it with all their tracking stuff. If they want your data they will keep taking it an then say you let them.

Mark Fraser

@krita what are the limited circumstances that it doesn't apply?

priryo

@mfraz74
When their cheque paying off regulators fails to clear in time.
@Krita

Illindi

@Krita sheesh... now that toggle feels even dirtier. Just a matter of time before they slip it to 'opt in' Microsoft style with an 'update/patch' without telling you.

Ian Hecht

@Krita Wait, what? They can override the option to not have them analyze our content?

Larry O'Brien

@Krita This is the wave of the near-future. I bet similar "insta-scraping" will be done by all commercial "knowledge worker" tools, e.g., Word, Visual Studio, Figma, etc. What was "instrumentation" justified to find bugs is grist for the deep-learning mill. #AIEthics #SoftwareDevelopment #Instrumentation #Writing #KnowledgeWorker #Creatives

Takiro 🎨

@krita
And I wonder what "certain limited circumstances" where it doesn't apply are. I guess whenever they feel like it.

(λiska. :gnujihad: )

@Krita@mastodon.art ​:ohgno:​ you will own nothing, not even your own paintings.

DELETED

@Krita This setting doesn't apply in certain limited circumstances? What limited circumstances? Yeah that's pretty bad.

Tobi

@krita 🤮 and of course this is an opt-out option.

Just use software that doesn't want to take advantage of your creative workflow without asking you first.

hoergen
I am not sure, but opt-out could be illegal in germany.
terrehaute :doomGuySmile:

@krita Eugh. Imagine if Fender started selling records from popular artists because they use Stratocasters, or Yamaha sells their own records from random people who use their pianos. This is ghoulish, and I would assume no better from the ghouls at Adobe.

Camilo Bravo :bass: :drumset:

@Krita holy shit, what "certain limited circumstance" does this setting not apply!? ugh

Cade the Cat

@Krita Ah, ok. I heard people saying that Adobe would skim your data for AI training, and I didn't get why that was a problem... Now I get it's because the AI being trained is making AI art.

Yeah, hard pass. Having your art used as training for AI art should always, ALWAYS be opt-in ONLY.

CapritiaJH

@CadeTheCat @Krita Not just opt-in; they should pay you for it.

Cade the Cat

@patriciajhawkins @Krita I once saw an ad for a company where that was like their entire business model. Like sign up for us, we'll harvest and sell your data but A: we're not trying to hide it like you-know who, it's all there in the contract, we won't take any data until you sign, and B: unlike the fifty other companies harvesting your data, we'll actually give you a cut of the sales.

I forget what they're called.

Moonshine :mastodance:

@Krita have you checked out what it says under Learn More? Adobe is improving certain tools with it but not scraping for your images for AI generators. And your images need to be in the Cloud for it.

JW prince of CPH

@Krita I threw up in my own mouth a little when I saw the "Learn to make an NFT" menu item in Photoshop... gotta hand it to Adobe; they really now how to jump on the worst bandwaggons imaginable.

We Want EVERYTHING! 🌹

@krita
"Ew" isn't the half of it. #Adobe is spying. What a horrible company.

A. P. Howell

@krita ...yeah, my former regret at losing an old free-with-the-laptop version of Photoshop when the machine died used to be a source of annoyance, but as time marches onward the annoyances of GIMP seem much less of an issue. (Note that I'm not using it extensively, nor have I checked to see if there's anything Horrible(TM) associated with it.)

Firehorseart lives!

@aphowell @Krita
Paint dot net is where it's at for me.
:comfy:

Still, everyone uses Adobe for something, e.g. Pdf, so ... :blobcatwhat:

A. P. Howell

@srfirehorseart @krita Yep, not *technically* proprietary any more, but still pretty darn close.

Veloxization

@srfirehorseart @aphowell Luckily all Adobe products have open source alternatives. That includes PDF readers.

BoopyTheFox

@Krita Thank you for awareness.
Glad to use alternatives.

uzayran

@Krita If you're not paying for it, you're the product, they say. In reality, it turns out, if you're paying a ton of money for closed-source software of a multi-million dollar company, then you're also the product.

Maybe it's not the price tag we should be looking at...

Bronzebart

@Krita You got to be kidding me. They just mustn't be serious.

Schiraki

@Krita This whole sh* is unbelievable.
I am glad I dont have to use photoshop anymore.

Blort™ 🐀Ⓥ🥋☣️

@krita Nope. Just nope. Especially that it defaults to "Yes, Adobe can take all my hard work and use it for their own commercial gain in ways that I have no legal protection against!"

Orca🌻 | 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

@Krita@mastodon.art WHAT THE ……????? 🤯🤯🤯
That's unacceptable!!!

jakeroslin

@jamesp @Krita every Adobe product now has one or more high functioning open source alternative. They mightn't have the latest AI, but if you're a true, original artist that's no bad thing. Also you will still own your own files if you stop paying the subscription of, err, zero!

Kali

@Krita I immediately went to turn it off when I saw this but past me already turned it off in a past privacy checkup. This has been an option for at least a year since I have been paying to not use my school’s subscription for 3 years. I don’t know why it is just being called out since I’ve known about this for years. They’ve been using machine learning to make presets in Lightroom for YEARS. Adobe first piloted AI features in Photoshop back in fall 2020

Shell Bryson

@krita Looks like this may be regional. Maybe outside the EU? My Adobe account doesn't show this option. Dodgy, though!

Dawn Tåke 🏳️‍⚧️

@krita
Always interesting when what your competitors do is your own best advertisement.

der.hans

@krita opted out of that long ago, been using Krita :)

NiceMicro

@krita wow, it's almost like Stallman was right all along, when he warned decades ago, that proprietary software can and will spy on its users.
And everyone were saying "that's crazy talk, why would anyone want to spy on MY stuff???".

Arindam Basu

At a conference in #Kolkata I heard #RMS talk about the perils of big cloud providers. This man has prophetic vision.

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@nicemicro@fosstodon agree...RMS was right in most of the things he had been saying...

Florian Egermann

@krita you are telling me the cloud was their cloud all along?

Jacob Gonzales 🇺🇸

@krita
Imagine paying a monthly fee for your work to be used for free without your permission and no licensing statements

Dennis Jernberg

@krita Makes me glad I use tools like GIMP, Kdenlive, and of course Krita instead. No Adobe for me.

Professor Code

@krita I really believe that AI and machine learning are valuable tools. They are the way to the future.

The problem here is with how they are acquiring data for it. It is done without consent and in a way that only benefits the company itself.

This is definitely unethical and a violation of trust, especially for their own customers.

#Privacy #AI

kbkorb

@ProfessorCode @Krita

The point of the recent GDPR finding in Ireland.

En3pY - Sebastian Zdrojewski

@krita WELL... and they ask you to opt-out rather than opt-in? How convenient...

💙💛:~/eu/pl/priv$:idle:

@krita I don't use or intend to use any Adobe clouds but just out of curiosity - can this permission be turned off before Adobe uses all your (existing) cloud photos for AI ? Or does it only work for newly uploaded photos ?

Mark Stosberg

@Krita I'm imaging this might give them permission to load your work into data set used by AIs to then general "original" work from.

This seems like something that would be fair for Adobe to pay for.

Inafox

@Krita Photoshop is very slow, virtually unusable even in the past so folk say, so wouldn't be surprised if they've already done stuff like this for years.

Kazii The Avali

@Krita there is atleast 1 alternitive to every Adobe product. and im glad your stance on this shit is ew.

aburtch

@Krita The privacy line keeps shifting, ever in the corporation's favor. Humans have consistently proven they'll trade privacy for convenience every time.

dmg

@Krita haha I'm assuming this being Adobe it'll be opt-in by default? Capitalists gonna Capitalism

DELETED

@Krita this is so serious and apparently it's by default opt in...good thing I always has been using #foss alternatives for their products. One more reason to advocate foss alternatives to their products.

ocdtrekkie

@krita Stopped using Creative Suite when they went subscription. Has helped me avoid a lot of nonsense.

Ghastly Ghost

@Krita imagine disrespecting your customers like that :l

Gerrit Jordaan

@krita Basically they ask you permission to "invade" your privacy. The question I have is.. IF I say no to opt-in, how far does their machine learning still go? Like whatsapp that says they are privacy focus and they encrypt your data... my Pi-Hole tells a different story. Adobe might not push ads in your face (just yet), but its uncceptable that they need to collect data from your computer on how and for what you use their software. It is paid spyware.

DELETED

@Krita I am no even more happy i stopped using Adope products a while ago.

SMMarenco

@Krita The pandora's box has literally been opened; everywhere you look now, you find such things.

Stian A. Giltvedt

@Krita So where is this part we can make sure we can opt-out for this? I can't find this part.

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