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David Wilson

@dthompson @anticomputer anywhere in particular that someone (or a number of someones) might offer some encouragement to move forward with this idea?

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MSavoritias

@daviwil @dthompson @anticomputer

Second the FSDG.
I would love for guix to start actually working for steam and all that stuff. Instead of working "under the table" like now.

I would revisit even the whole attachment to gnu but maybe im too extreme on that regard.

Certainly keeps me from contributing as much as i would like though the whole FSDG/Gnu thing.

dave

@msavoritias @daviwil @anticomputer I don't think that guix should provide steam or anything else like that. a separate channel is perfect for those. I think guix should make 2 changes:
1) make a firmware exception and include Linux with blobs
2) allow mention of channels with nonfree software

MSavoritias

@dthompson @daviwil @anticomputer

Completely agree.
It would go outside of the whole reproducible goal anyway for closed source stuff.

I just would like the development to support said software to be done it tne open. And as you said non free kernel would be nice. Because guix is too restricted by it at this point.

dave

@daviwil @anticomputer not sure, honestly! I edited my post to say it's speculation. there's a lot of discontent for the current state of GNU amongst the Guix devs so I'd be shocked if none of the maintainers were frustrated by the FSDG.

IPmonger

@dthompson @daviwil @anticomputer is there a reasonable place I can catch up on the main arguments against?

I’ve long been unimpressed with the strict stance of the GNU project, primarily for practical reasons. Only recently have I come to recognize the value of the position. I can’t avoid using proprietary solutions at work, but I definitely would require the guarantees of the GPL before I would accept certain types of tech solutions

David Wilson

@IPmonger @dthompson @anticomputer The main argument against FSDG is that the kernel firmware blob restriction just isn't practical because many users own laptops that are not compatible with Linux Libre.

If the vast majority of your potential users have hardware that doesn't work with the distro and the guidelines forbid them to ask about it on official channels, it places a huge barrier.

In an ideal world, we wouldn't need the proprietary blobs. I'd prefer it!

Andres Moreno

@daviwil @IPmonger @dthompson @anticomputer

I am encouraged by the changes to Debian--maybe this will help shift things.

The fact that one can't have access to mainstream hardware supported by Libre software is frustrating, compounded by the "don't ask, don't tell" policy of the Guix distribution.

@dthompson

Thanks for the installation guide.

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