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Jon

@darius the times they are a-changing. From a visibility perspective, does that mean that posts by people who replied to your posts are discoverable from the search-indexed post?

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Darius Kazemi

@jdp23 I suppose that if a person were to click through to my indexed post then yes, any public replies to that post would be visible. I am not sure about the content of the replies themselves!

Jon

@darius also unlisted replies? "visible for all but opted out of discovery features".

Darius Kazemi

@jdp23 Unlisted replies are still present on the rendered HTML of the individual post -- but, I am now remembering, Mastodon v4 completely changed how they render posts, and thus also how they are indexed, so it is possible that in mastodon v4 those unlisted replies would be present if you click through the post but the content of the unlisted replies would not be _indexed_

so I'm pretty sure that in v4 I could not search google for a string of an unlisted reply to an indexed post

Jon

@darius thanks for the info ... that certainly seems like an improvement.

I can see why it behaves the way it does but given the whole "mastodon doesn't provide text search because it would make people more vulnerable to harassment" messaging ... even now it violates the principle of least surprise.

Darius Kazemi

@jdp23 see my other reply, I was wrong about mastodon v4!

Darius Kazemi

@jdp23 I don't think there is a great solution for this.... like, a warning modal when you are about to reply unlisted to a profile that mastodon knows to be indexed? also how would mastodon know a remote page is indexed? scraping the user's profile page before every interaction?

Darius Kazemi

@jdp23 I think all we can really do is try to make it clear that "unlisted" opts you out of *mastodon* discovery but is still public information. (I basically never use unlisted for security reasons, only for courtesy reasons like not clogging up the local timeline)

Jon

@darius yeah, it's not obvious what to do. On youtube "unlisted" means "not discoverable by a search" so that is probably how. most people think of it.

One thing is for sure, they should be a lot more candid in the messaging. "We don't provide full-text search because it can be used for harassment" is a speedbump but not really a protection. It makes Mastodon seem safer than it really is, so missets people's expectations.

Jon

@darius thanks for doing that! and, yikes.

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