Gregory's Server@aurynn @rbairwell @rastilin @xssfox
Well, valid point to take. On the other hand, you can argue that as long as you don't pay them and use their infrastructure for free, you're harming them by using up their resources.
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@aurynn @rbairwell @rastilin @xssfox But let me go back to the international traffic. Is using VPN common in NZ? To pretend all traffic is local? How big of a difference in price are we talking about?  @Veticia @rbairwell @rastilin @xssfox Honestly this conversation makes me think you've never priced out actual server kit for actual production use with the full TCO and this is exactly the kind of irritating, unhelpful criticism that I was concerned about receiving. @aurynn @rbairwell @rastilin @xssfox @Veticia @rbairwell @rastilin @xssfox so because Cloud Island is something people rely on, it’s not one server I’d have to buy, it’s multiple, including multiple disk servers to live in geographically disparate DCs to ensure recoverability in the event of catastrophe. I’d have to get support contracts so that I have easy access to spare parts, and multiple servers so that the site isn’t offline for weeks while I wait for parts to arrive and for the DCs smart hands team to install. It adds up. @Veticia @rbairwell @rastilin @xssfox and this can be irritating, and I was snappy about it, because I don’t know that a lot of people know how much goes in to ensuring that you have a service that can be relied on to … well, be reliable. @Veticia @rbairwell @rastilin @xssfox and if I want my service to be reliable, I’m don’t feel that single servers in a single DC can provide it, whereas cloud lets me do a lot of things with a lot more capability than I would be able to otherwise, and I can abstract all of the depreciation and managing spares and maintaining DCs and everything away, and focus on making sure my users can rely on what I’m doing. It is a tradeoff in cost, though, yeah. @aurynn @Veticia @rbairwell @rastilin @xssfox go look at hetzner.com - much cheaper - incl. The vms (where they stay up/ get restarted on new machine) just like ec2 etc. On other clouds. We run all our Companys services on physical servers on hetzner, with HA provided by Kubernetes setup. And scaleup works well enough with vm combo  @KlavsKlavsen @aurynn @Veticia @rbairwell @rastilin maybe I'm missing something but I didn't think hetzner hosted anything in New Zealand ? @xssfox @aurynn @Veticia @rbairwell @rastilin lol no. I would exoect you would have a nearby equivalent though, if latency to new zealand is highest prio. Hetzner is in germany. Great loco for Europe @KlavsKlavsen @Veticia @rbairwell @rastilin @xssfox you may be surprised to learn that Hertzner is not an Aotearoa New Zealand company and would require relinquishing data sovereignty @aurynn @Veticia @rbairwell @rastilin @xssfox It should not cost you $50k to buy hardware to host a mastodon server. @yoshimitsu @aurynn @Veticia @rbairwell @rastilin sigh. You've never had to build a highly available, reliable, and scalable service before have you? |
@Veticia @rbairwell @rastilin @xssfox and also giving them more power over the internet at large if I did so, so, still no.
As far as buying servers, I
- don't have >=$50k laying around to buy kit
- don't have relationships with any DCs to rack said kit
- don't have the time or interest in researching hardware monitoring
- don't have relationships to buy support contracts for said kit
- would lose a lot of flexibility
- have to deal with depreciation
- etc