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@alexgranford No, when there is a tram and a truck, you can still walk in the street. When there is 500 cars lined up and ready to hit you a 60mph, you can't. There is a big difference between a pedestrian city with services and a car hellscape where if you step out of a 1m area you die (only a slight exaggeration is some cities.)

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Gambitpawn13

@leet @alexgranford This is the point of the drawing and the argument imo. Street infrastructure for thousands of cars is very different than for dozens of busses and daily deliveries to businesses.

Herma

@leet @alexgranford

Trams & pedestrians sharing the same space in Leidsestraat in Amsterdam
(Photo: Roeland Koning)

Alex Granford

@hermatenseldam @leet I go to Netherlands a lot on business, and while I never stop admiring their outstanding cycling infrastructure and culture, I am somewhat a bit afraid of cyclists when crossing busy streets in Amsterdam or Den Haag, where they can jump on you from anywhere, at any moment.
But I would agree with the overall notion, consider me half converted.

Herma

@alexgranford @leet
Alex, I know what you mean about cyclists in those cities. I used to be one of them. I always thought I was a nice cyclist, until I moved to a somewhat smaller and quite different city. The looks some people gave me 🤬Apparently I wasn’t so nice after all. I changed my behaviour (except when I’m in Amsterdam) 😇

Herma replied to Herma

@alexgranford @leet
Alex mentioned lack of public transport in rural England. I’m going to the UK quite regularly. My family in law live in a small English village. Public transport over there is horrible. I don’t drive a car, and I’m afraid to cycle there. I feel so dependent whenever I’m visiting. There are no shops, nearest bus stop is a few miles away and the bus schedule is irregular. I can walk a few miles, but I don’t feel safe walking along a busy road.

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@hermatenseldam @alexgranford Yeah, infrastructure really needs to be built up in places.

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