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We are considering removing NSFW posts from local/public and network timelines.

Your feedback is greatly appreciated and will help us decide!

Consider boosting this poll to help reach as many people as possible.

#pixelfed #askFedi

Anonymous poll

Poll

Hide NSFW posts on local/network feeds
232
14.1%
Make this a config setting admins can set
803
48.8%
Keep NSFW posts on local/network feeds
610
37.1%
1,645 people voted.
Voting ended 29 Nov 2022 at 9:41.
33 comments
pixelfed

@Clementine The admin would either allow or not allow NSFW posts on these feeds.

Andrea Grandi πŸ¦•

@pixelfed make NSFW tagging mandatory (else it gets removed) and let the users choose (maybe off by default) if they want to see it or not

Mark πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

@pixelfed hide by default, but also make it an admin setting. Personally, I don't like seeing it on locals, even with cw. If someone wants to follow nsfw profiles then that's fine as long as it's their choice for it to show up in timelines.

Christian Tietze

@pixelfed I guess nobody wants to see Pixelfed and thus the fediverse as a whole derange into a porn sharing network. (Federating video content and caching it locally would also be a huge impact on servers.)

But taking away the option to share non-porn NSFW pictures, which also applies to pole dancing sports and non-erotic nudity photography on behalf of users might backfire

Mr.Generation

@pixelfed With only having a Mastodon instance in the Fediverse and thus not being able to speak for pixelfed users... wouldn't be a Admin based setting (that can enforce for everyone) and a per user setting (if admin didn't enable the "hide") to allow users to have an individual filtering level better?

I've seen this on my instance. One users subscribes to one or two NFSW artists and then your timeline is full. Other users however may not want to see this kind of content at all, evev with CW.

pixelfed

"Why don't you let users decide?"

The reason we are not considering a user level option is because of how expensive these database queries are.

These feeds are cached, and would involve duplicating these feeds which isn't ideal for several reasons.

Eden

@pixelfed I definitely feel people should make their own decisions. People should have to put nsfw on those posts. I just know that some people find things offensive that others do not. I personally have never had problems with my timelines anywhere because I just filter what I don't want to see. That's the adult thing to do.

F. Maury ⏚

@pixelfed Why not have a single server feed that is filtered client side?

Andrea Grandi πŸ¦•

@pixelfed db queries aside, I changed my mind: as much as the user should be able to choose, at the same time the admin should be able to allow NSFW or not.

Same thing happens on Mastodon.

As long as users can follow another user on a federated instance which allows NSFW, then it's all good.

awooo :blobfoxcheck: πŸ΄β€β˜ οΈ :bisexual_flag: 🐾 βŽ‡

@pixelfed I do feel like you should still consider a client-side filter here. Making marking content as NSFW universal is a good thing for sure, but a blanket delisting of such content would unfairly hurt discoverability of people who make it.

Madagascar_Sky

@pixelfed Couldn't you use the same system used for muting and blocking people to automatically block/mute NSFW posts? The feeds pulled from the cache has to do the block/mute action regardless.

gharbeia

@pixelfed Have you considered a client-side solution where all content is handled the same instant-wise, according to admin preference, but then filtered per logged in user on the UI level?
Also, consider making the admin setting two-fold: one for anonymous users and one for logged-in users, potentially also client-side, in order to protect the passer-by.

yoshimitsu

@pixelfed No joke, optimize the software better before removing features.

solitarywalker

@pixelfed Can’t users decide for themselves by filtering nsfw in their feeds if they don’t want to see it?

F. Maury ⏚

@pixelfed Shouldn't it be a user setting, with a default value of hiding that content?

pixelfed

@x_cli We explained why user settings are complicated in a reply to this post

Lycill Shiriki-Elysian

@pixelfed But how to find #NSFW postings from accounts users are not yet following if they are hidden from users?

Tixie Salander πŸ’•

@pixelfed we need to keep this configurable, especially for local timeline, a network of sexworkers could use pixelfed as a communication tool and this would hurt them while they’re already more than discriminated elsewhere.

PunkLion

@pixelfed
For a non-admin, your post is a bit confusing. Are we talking about hiding from view on public feeds (like Local and Federated feeds on Mastodon) but keeping on personal timelines?

It this is the intention, then I'm good with it. Individuals can use hashtags to locate and connect with each other (as with #DogsOfMostodon).

How would one distinguish between NSFW and Sensitive Content?

pixelfed

@punklion Yes, this is simply about hiding sensitive/nsfw posts from the local/network feeds.

They will still appear as normal on home feeds.

PunkLion

@pixelfed
Sensitive/NSFW may be too broad a brush.

A fair amount of bipolar / depression posts gets tagged as sensitive content by the person posting, even though none is NSFW images.

If this content is blocked by a NSFW filter, the author may choose to not tag as sensitive any longer or not post it.

Not a criticism, just concerned about unintended side effects.

I usually find new stuff from followers boosting posts and from searching with hashtags, not via Local / Federated public feeds.

@pixelfed
Sensitive/NSFW may be too broad a brush.

A fair amount of bipolar / depression posts gets tagged as sensitive content by the person posting, even though none is NSFW images.

If this content is blocked by a NSFW filter, the author may choose to not tag as sensitive any longer or not post it.

Michael Marten 🚲⚑🐘

@pixelfed
Beside the setting discussion...the network timeline is new to me ..I know local and public..so public is not =network? What is the difference?

π‘πšπ©π‘

@pixelfed This is not about your tool. This is about the instance policy who use your tool.

If you want to unlist the NSFW content on the .social, why not ? But sex work is work. And sex workers need some spaces where they can express their voices and share their content.

So let the admins take the choice. Other admins can defederate instances who will disrupt the one they administrate.

Mx. Alba :blobcatenby: :nd:

@pixelfed If people don't want to see NSFW content, they can filter it out of their feeds themselves, so why add a server-side filter that the user has no control over?

Silver, Light, and Skin πŸ“· 🎞️

@pixelfed

FWIW: As someone who's already quite self-censoring due to my main reliance on Instagram, this is one of the features that may lead me to ditch #PixelFed for good.

Currently, I'm missing the option to display #NSFW photos by default anyway - but I just chalked it up to PF still being in relatively early development.

As is, PF is not a feasible solution for me as a #boudoir and nude photog. and with a move in the proposed direction, I guess I'll stay on Mastodon/IG.

@ArtOfCoop FYI

NFG

@pixelfed everything should be up to the admins! You can't please everyone at the same time, there's on one perfect tool for every community.

I don't know why this was ever something you thought was your burden to decide.

Sslaxx

@pixelfed Is it "remove" as per the post, or "hide" as per the poll?

yoshimitsu

@pixelfed This seems like an issue for each server. If you're seriously considering removing it from all servers, then I really think you should take a step back and let someone else make decisions.
A great way to kill the fediverse is to dictate what can and can't be shared on it.
Let people decide for themselves what they want to see.
This is a non-issue and anyone claiming otherwise is detrimental to the platform.

Karuk

@pixelfed I think it should be up to the user. I would see a lot of NSFW stuff tracking the war in Ukraine. I’d like to be able to keep up with that.

StroomAfwaarts

@pixelfed
Keep it on the timelines, and teach users to use a CW.
"NSFW" is nonsense, since if your work is done on a computer, in an office, you should stay off the socials anyway.
(plus stuff that is totally acceptable in one workplace or line of work, is not in others)

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