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Sheril Kirshenbaum

“We've arranged a society based on #science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science and technology. This combustible mixture of ignorance and power, sooner or later, is going to blow up in our faces.”

- Carl Sagan, in his last interview to Charlie Rose charlierose.com/videos/9094

38 comments
Patrick Rizzo

@Sheril His “Demon-Haunted World” should be required reading for every lawmaker, CEO, college freshman, et al.

Diefledermaus82

@prizzo That is an excellent book to read, and then re-read! #demonhauntedworld

WestCoastBirder

@prizzo @Sheril it was my going-away present to both my sons as they left home to go to college.

Rui Borges

@Sheril "The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir."

How I miss Carl. How.

📷 Evelyn Hofer

gwfoto

@Sheril What a terrifying interview. Explains the MAGA phenomenon to me.

escott

@Sheril Honestly, you could substitute #democracy for "science and technology" and the statement would be equally true

Andy Bates

@Sheril very true. Most people faithfully believe in electrons with no better evidence than once supported their belief in angels.

Dr. Brad Rosenheim

@Sheril Millions dead from a virus, 50 years of largely unabated climate change - his analysis was prescient.

Mandy May

@Sheril At a local laundromat, a lady and I were chatting about the volcano that might erupt soon on the big island of Hawai'i. Another lady interruped, "Like that Mt St Helens!" I explained that was a different type of volcano but she expressed skepticism so I suggested Wikipedia. She replied geologists are a bunch of liars because she's from Alaska and the USGS are the bad guys. So nobody should ever use Wikipedia to look up types of volcanoes. She was very agitated.

Jason T

@MandyMay @Sheril as someone who studied geokogtfie half a decade, this hurts

Doug Bostrom

@Sheril

Slow the orbital decay:

Find "device" command line interface.

If device doesn't include a command line interface, it's an example of what being taught down looks like. Consider rejecting the device and finding another implementation more friendly to intelligence.

Being trained into ignorance is not fate, more a matter of loss of situational awareness.

David Risner

@Sheril I wish Carl #Sagan would’ve lived much longer. We still really need him. So wise and prescient.

Keith Daggett

@Sheril

You can post anything about him anytime, I won't mind.

Patrick Galloway

@Sheril Favorite Sagan quote (use on UFO believers): "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

Diefledermaus82

@Sheril The most compelling and concerning part of that quote was that he said so, decades ago! Perhaps we’ve been on the slide for longer than most can even remember, our care to. #carlsagan #science

Wesley Fryer (he/him)

@Sheril Thankfully, many teachers in the #MakerEd movement have been pushing back against those dynamics for years now. #EduTooter

Open_erv

@Sheril I have thought and marveled at exactly this thing so much, amazing to hear he said it so long ago. It's gotten so much worse since then.

The Cyborg in the Garden

@Sheril At first I thought you were describing a new instance, then I realised this is what's combusting on #Twitter rn. (running for cover as I type)

Appagal Crochet

@Sheril Carl was a gift whom very few Americans apparently even know about! Not sure how the hell that happens?

The Pale Blue Dot was the 8th large book I read as a preteen. I still flip through it for inspiration to this day. (Yes, I still have those heavy things called books that collect dust.)

Dekkzz

@Sheril Always wondered how the religious right think were going to fare as they blast the US back to the middle ages. if they deny science the US will become a backwater as the rest of the world advances.

Skeptical Boojuh

@Sheril his book "The Demon-Haunted World" goes into detail on his concerns about this subject, and his hopes that we would overcome our ignorance. It's a great book - one of my favorites - but I do think he'd be saddened to see the current state of affairs in the US with regards to understanding basic science and reasoning.

niplav

@Sheril
If I were more optimistic, I'd probably be worrying about that kind of thing: We've built up technology & science stacks that add abstractions, but abstractions are leaky and can only go so far, so our setup to teach people those towers becomes more and more fragile over time (civilizational jenga!)

Growing intelligence would assuage that, and growing population would be helpful (more specialization possible), but neither is happening rn 😕

@Sheril
If I were more optimistic, I'd probably be worrying about that kind of thing: We've built up technology & science stacks that add abstractions, but abstractions are leaky and can only go so far, so our setup to teach people those towers becomes more and more fragile over time (civilizational jenga!)

Hirunatan

@Sheril Carl Sagan... how much we miss him. And how would we need him in today's world.

Maine

@Sheril just here to say I'm happy to see Sagan-related content in Mastodon 😊

Begoniaweirdo

@Sheril after reading this book I think about this constantly..

PJT North

@Sheril I am a scientist and, yes, ignorant arrogance does dominate our constructed society’ behavior. The resistance I’ve seen firsthand toward simple constructive dialogue is a consistent source of bitter disgust for me.

Prosselius

@Sheril Thank you for sharing this. It made me watch the video, then read Sagan‘s Wikipedia page, from there on to some awe inspiring Voyager photos and finally to this beautiful Planetary Radio podcast episode with his partner: overcast.fm/+vWjKW0pgg
#CarlSagan #science

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