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Rich Felker

@cwebber @aral Maybe because it's effective. That's how activism works. You take the focus when there's an opportunity not politely wait for a time when nobody is listening.

I really do not like this aspect of tone policing activism and thinly veiled threats that people doing activism via the fediverse need to watch what they say or be subjected to moderation.

Speaking truth to power is good, actually.

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Aral Balkan

@dalias Indeed and yet I feel I must stress again that I wasn’t speaking to @cwebber (the person, who isn’t even part of a corporate W3C member as far as I know) but to @w3c (a corporate entity that does the bidding of surveillance capitalists like Google).

I could have worded it better so Christine didn’t have cause to think it was about her (and I’ll definitely make sure I do in the future if there is room for ambiguity).

Aral Balkan

@dalias (Sadly, it is also in the modus operandi of entities like the W3C, Google, etc., to use invited experts for legitimacy and to shield themselves from criticism. “Oh, you‘re criticising us, well you must be criticising this beloved person, then.” No, dear corporation, I‘m criticising the corporate entity and an increasing number of us happen to see through your public relations attempts at leeching legitimacy off of individuals.)

@cwebber @w3c

Aral Balkan

@dalias @cwebber @w3c (Just edited it to remove the folks that were mentioned in the original post too; hopefully that will help with regard to removing some of that ambiguity).

Ludovic Courtès

@aral It’s good to be critical of W3C or any similar institution (there’s a lot to be said here), but I think it was the wrong thread to do that; to me, it looked like you were jumping at the very people who designed and standardized what lets us communicate right now. Not great.

Aral Balkan

@civodul Yeah, that’s my bad. I should have deleted the mentions from the reply. Edited it afterwards to do so. My comment was aimed squarely at the corporate entity that is the W3C.

Aral Balkan replied to Aral

@civodul (The people who designed/standardised the protocol have every right to pat themselves on the back. The W3C, not so much. And I definitely do not want to see the W3C capturing the narrative around alternatives to the current corporate system when they ARE the current corporate system we’re trying to build alternatives for.)

Dr. Quadragon ❌

@dalias

> Speaking truth to power is good, actually.

Indeed. Sealioning on a completely unrelated thread comemorating people who made the Fediverse (the thing we ostensibly love and promote) what it is - less so.

No offense, @aral

@cwebber

Aral Balkan

@drq My question was for the corporate entity that is W3C which was patting itself on the back for having gifted us the fediverse.

If you don’t think this is the first move of many in an effort to capture the narrative and shape the protocol going forward in line with the interests of their corporate members like Google and Meta, all I can say is I hope you’re right.

Also, my question remains unanswered: how many of the W3C’s members are surveillance capitalists?

@dalias

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