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AJ Sadauskas

The thing about Twitter is that it really lacks a lot of the features you'd expect from a true Mastodon replacement.

For example, there's no way to edit your toots (which they, confusingly call "tweets"—let's face it, it's a bit of a silly name that's difficult to take seriously).

"Tweets" can't be covered by a content warning. There's no way to let the poster know you like their tweet without also sharing it, and no bookmark feature.

There's no way to set up your own instance, and you're basically stuck on a single instance of Twitter. That means there's no community moderators you can reach out to to quickly resolve issues. Also, you can't de-federate instances with a lot of problematic content.

It also doesn't Integrate with other fediverse platforms, and I couldn't find the option to turn the ads off.

Really, Twitter has made a good start, but it will need to add a lot of additional features before it gets to the point where it becomes a true Mastodon replacement for most users.

#twitter #mastodon #twittermigration

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David Farnell

@ajsadauskas @TeacherGriff love it! I keep seeing tweet after tweet of ppl who took one look at one Mastodon instance with rules they didn’t like & noped away from all of Mastodon, and the replies are all “Wow, never going there!” And for a couple days I tried to correct the misperceptions…then realized, “Ah well, they’ll find some social app they like, eventually.”

Forest Changeling (they/them)

@ajsadauskas
Re bookmark feature: Twitter has bookmarks but it's so unintuitive in placement that most people never find it. (I consider this worse than not having it at all.)

Not intending to be splainy, just I use them and I constantly see people say the feature doesn't exist. It's so poorly advertised.

(It's under the share menu)

Forest Changeling (they/them)

@ajsadauskas
I don't even know what the point is of having the feature when it's this poorly implemented.

Vidar Hokstad / Galaxy Bound

@forestfae @ajsadauskas I use them quite heavily, but yeah the placement is very much counter-intuitive.

Irina

@forestfae @ajsadauskas Also you can't remove just ONE bookmark, so either a bookmark you made by mistake is there forever or you have to delete the whole list.

Carsten Becker

@irina @forestfae @ajsadauskas You can remove individual bookmarks by clicking the share symbol and then choosing "remove tweet from bookmarks", but that's not very intuitive either.

Irina

@chrpistorius @forestfae @ajsadauskas Good to know in case I ever to back to actually use twitter again (rather than reading and very occasionally replying, what I'm doing now)

FlotteBiene86

@forestfae @ajsadauskas

You can have bookmarks on Twitter? I always needed them but found nothing ti bookmark Tweets, lol

Ben Caudron

@ajsadauskas I love the smell of irony in the morning. Nice toot. Tnx

moby dickgirl

@ajsadauskas this is funny to me partly because (I'm assuming you don't already know this, so sorry in advance if you do) Twitter has been working on building its own non-ActivityPub federation protocol ever since it became aware that Mastodon exists. The original plan was for Twitter.com to simply become an instance on that network. God knows what's going to happen now

Deriamis

@estrapade @ajsadauskas I assume you’re referring to Bluesky? While it was organized by Twitter, it’s actually a non-profit initiative that Twitter has no controlling stake in. Whatever happens to Twitter, Bluesky is its own thing. I imagine research is still going forward, but still… it’s kinda reinventing the wheel at this point.

Osma A

@deriamis @estrapade @ajsadauskas except that Bluesky protocol has some clear advantages over ActivityPub on the identity front. On the other hand, on the posts side, it is mostly a reimplementation of Twitter model without any meaningful thought to generalizing.

Deriamis

@osma @estrapade @ajsadauskas Fair enough regarding the advantages, if indeed they *are* advantages. I’m personally not convinced that a strong identity association with posted content is always a good thing, and I just don’t see something being developed to support corporatized social media making that optional. There’s nothing in ActivityPub that prevents adding it as an option, either. The existing culture around the protocol just hasn’t made it worthwhile.

Osma A

@deriamis @estrapade @ajsadauskas on the early nineties a lot of people didn't see enabling "corporatized presence" being all that valuable on the Internet. Fortunately though, the web didn't prevent it, either.

Osma A

@deriamis @estrapade @ajsadauskas before commercial interests required it, there were no standardized and generally supported means to encrypt any transaction of information either. You may not like the concept of having commercial entities on your Internet, but you wouldn't have one without them.

Deriamis

@osma @estrapade @ajsadauskas @osma @estrapade @ajsadauskas I don’t dislike commercial entities on the Internet. I simply don’t want to be required to give them control over my online identity. I also don’t want them to have a monopoly over what information I can access. Capitalism isn’t necessarily evil, but its goals are often in tension with what would be good for society as a whole. I don’t want a world where the only choice is what makes someone else money.

Osma A

@deriamis @estrapade @ajsadauskas well in that case we're in agreement. As far as implementation, I'd like to see a return to self-owned domains. I think identities are in general valuable and would prefer people to not only have more control over theirs, but responsibility over the outcomes, too.

whonose123

@deriamis @estrapade @ajsadauskas bluesky should consider Federating, with the REAL fediverse..

Michael Miller :blobrdm: 🦆

@ajsadauskas thank you so much for framing this the other way. This is beautiful.

🕷🐜:lattentacle:

@ajsadauskas i'm sure this was posted in the spirit of satire, but as someone who's never used twitter before and just learns how bad it is from other people... yeah it's exactly like this lol

Lyle Raymond

@odddev @ajsadauskas and I have yet to see a bookmark feature in the official Mastodon iOS app.

Allan Chow

@ajsadauskas he was looking for Pooh!

42runs :verified:

@ajsadauskas yeah and the business model is not so sustainable either. One bezerk hyper capitalist at the top, and no protective rights for employees. That can’t last forever right? i’ve heard some are switching to mastodon

dekks herton

@ajsadauskas sadly the too many of the twitter refugees just ignore the CW

brihadeesh

@ajsadauskas I can't tell if this is satire or said in all seriousness but it's, without doubt, the best thing I've read in a while!

Colonel Irrelevant

@ajsadauskas fair to say that Mastodon is a much, much better experience.

Oblomov

@ajsadauskas

I love this, but Twitter does have a bookmark feature ;-)

PJ Coffey

@oblomov @ajsadauskas is that so? They should get that on Mastodon. 😉

Toot showing that the Toot saying Twitter has a bookmark feature is bookmarked
Das Klapprad

@ajsadauskas

As someone who never used Twitter or had an account there, this is really interesting to me! Not that I had plans to mastexit, though.

Metrognome

@ajsadauskas
Just a short point: birdsite does have bookmarks but they are a mess to organise.

Sibrosan

@ajsadauskas

Not to mention that you get to read such brilliant posts as yours, without having to weed through countless asininities and malicious insults. 🙂

PJ Coffey

@mikec415 @ajsadauskas delete and redraft.

Doing that will lose any replies including your own.

Rhabarberbär 🏳️‍🌈

@mikec415
yes, in some apps there is a 'true' edit function already. in others, there is at least an 'erase and redo' which means you can edit your toot and post it as a new one.

@ajsadauskas

FlotteBiene86

@mikec415 @ajsadauskas

Not in the way we think. It is deleting and re-posting.

Darko Vršič

@ajsadauskas
And Twits can only be 180 characters long! 🤦‍♂️

Mathias Raacke

@ajsadauskas I would post this on twitter, but it doesn't even allow such long posts yet 🤷

Arno

@ajsadauskas I couldn't find the option to turn the ads off 😂
brilliant !

Lita

@ajsadauskas
Actually, there is a bookmark feature - I was using it all the time

Robin Metcalfe 🍪

@ajsadauskas Great points! They also *really* need to get rid of that feature which causes multiple people to reply to you with insults whenever you have an opinion about anything.

HollieK

@toastymctoast @ajsadauskas Not to mention that "Quote Tweet" thing where anyone can repost and add their own comment, which is usually along the lines of "Come and do a pile on here".

Duncan Babbage

@ajsadauskas so good. 😂

(Twitter actually does have a bookmark feature fwiw, but I think few people found it as it was hidden behind a …)

Thomas Boss

@ajsadauskas Such centralized models probably don’t scale well and being organized as a capitalist company, it needs growth and revenue to survive. Not sustainable. Seems a bit old fashioned.

DerPrada

@ajsadauskas You can use this style of toot for all nee technologies like electric cars or wind turbine. 🙃

sbi

@ajsadauskas (Note that Twitter does have bookmarks.)

Banfin

@ajsadauskas i agree on everything but the Bookmarks. Twitter has a bookmark-feature...

Phil Groom

@ajsadauskas genius, thank you! May I share this on Twitter please? With credit to you, of course, and a link to your toot 😊

Kavey (Kavita / Kavey Eats)

@ajsadauskas 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 This made me giggle! Ah to have Twitter without ads, really didn't moderation that seems to favour fascists, can you imagine?
(point of note though, Twitter does indeed have separate ways to share, like and bookmark)

chinedu maria

@ajsadauskas I love the way you"sound" this write ups on my damn PIANO 🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹 !!!

Kavey (Kavita / Kavey Eats)

@ajsadauskas 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 This made me giggle! Ah to have Twitter without ads, and decent moderation that doesn't seems to favour fascists, can you imagine?
(point of note though, Twitter does indeed have separate ways to share, like and bookmark)

lamp

@ajsadauskas the main thing i like about twitter over mastodon is knowing when ppl like what i retweet

Loy

@ajsadauskas you gotta be mild with them. Mastodon is run by volunteers, while Twitter is only worth 44 billion and only has thousands of people behind it. What could those possibly achieve?

Diana Poudel🇪🇪

@ajsadauskas I'm a bit confused because I'm under the impression that you can't edit toots in Mastodon either.

Everything else seems to be correct :)

Daniel Ghinn

@diana @ajsadauskas some apps support editing toots. I use tooot app on Android which includes this

Jacky

@ajsadauskas
Hope you don't mind, I've taken a screen shot to the other place... If you object of course I will delete!
I'm finding I'm using Mastodon more like I used to use Medium, before it fell off a cliff. Conversation instead of spat.

PeterMacMillan

@ajsadauskas Agreed, I don’t see Twitter being a serious replacement and it may not last that long either

Lex Bijlsma

@ajsadauskas Actually, Twitter does have a bookmark feature. Confusingly it is called ‘bookmark’.

Ariadne

@ajsadauskas wow, extremely well put! I don't think this #Twitter thing will ever succeed, especially with their algorithm idea #Mastodon #Fediverse #TwitterMigration

flere-imsaho

@RWerpachowski @ajsadauskas yeah, osint feeds (and musk shitposting, but that is already getting old) are the primary reasons i'm still keeping my twitter account open.

Stephen Cox Author

@ajsadauskas Also have you noticed the default is to curate what you see (including tweets liked by other people and 'suggestions'.) It does have the feature to show tweets from people you follow in chronological order but you have to keep resetting to that. The curation programme is weird.

incatmade

@ajsadauskas yes how to translate the post you are writing for other users

Dudley of Yesterzine :sms:

@ajsadauskas Also that toot wouldn’t even fit on Twitter, you’d have to make it what they call a “thread” which is like a long toot but bad.

Tomcat1960

@ajsadauskas How would I edit a toot, then? Haven‘t found this function yet.

@Lee_in_Iowa

@Tomcat1960 @ajsadauskas Nor have I, and I just muffed a toot and would love to fix that typo. How does one edit, here in our new homeland?

Luise

@Lee_in_Iowa @Tomcat1960 @ajsadauskas I think it's onmy available in the browser, not all apps & maybe not on all instances (yet) depending on which version they're running.

Tom Pearce

@Lee_in_Iowa @Tomcat1960 @ajsadauskas Using the browser, you can click on the three dots on your post and a drop down menu appears that has an "edit" function. Edit away and repost.

Edited to replace "section" with "function".

Daniel Ghinn

@Tomcat1960 @ajsadauskas I'm using tooot app on Android, which includes the edit feature

Edit toot using tooot app
mastodon respite arc🇺🇦🏳️‍⚧️

@ajsadauskas also, being limited to 240 characters without any possible markup options?

that is *soooooooooooooo 2000s*

Miranda Kate 📚

@ajsadauskas although I understand the spirit of this, there is a bookmark feature on the bird place.

Bogi [Crossing The Pond]

@purplequeennl
@ajsadauskas
That's the only thing I wanted to add, yes 😁
Otherwise, it's spot on.

But I still have to find the edit feature on my toots.

EDIT: Oh, I just did, silly me. 😜

Miranda Kate 📚

@zweiundvierzich @ajsadauskas sadly the edit features is not on all the instances. I'm hoping it will come to this one.

Bogi [Crossing The Pond]

@purplequeennl
@ajsadauskas

I'm not sure if it's an instance related feature. I think it's more client related. On the original mastodon app for Android, I couldn't find it; on Fedilab, it's there (on both instances I'm using). Didn't bother to look while using tusky.

But it seems instances might impose a time limit on editing ("you can only edit it for x minutes after creation"). Maybe.

Have you tried a different client yet?

Bogi [Crossing The Pond]

@purplequeennl
@ajsadauskas

I've just discovered that editing was introduced with version 3.5, so instances running older versions are out of luck. But writing exchange seems to be running 3.5.3, so the version is not a problem, it seems.

Miranda Kate 📚

@zweiundvierzich @ajsadauskas it's not on Tusky or Mastodon apps for android or on the Web instance for the writing exchange. I used it on mas.to server where I moved from & friends on wandering.shop have it. No idea why writing exchange doesn't. But I joined as soon a it was set up.

logienick

@ajsadauskas 👏🏼😎

ageofcool

@ajsadauskas Die Nachteile von Twitter schön zusammengefasst

Per Funke

@ajsadauskas
Thank you. Very useful resource when trying to get more ppl moving. One thing though: You missed (?) the 280 character limit on tweets. This limit may or may not be a blessing but is still a useful argument in some cases.

Olem

@ajsadauskas You know, it has the feel of a first generation tool. Like Windows 1.0-ish. Not really ready for prime time and a redesign from ground up is needed. Mastodon? More like Windows 3.11. Lots of fun and features!
#twittermigration

John Carlos Baez

@ajsadauskas - very fun! But a small nitpick: there is a bookmark feature on Twitter, and I use(d) it a lot.

KonsolentieR

@ajsadauskas I would like to add:
Server admins can set the length of the toots to another value than the default of 500 characters.

I'm using the bookmark a lot at the moment.

To avoid information "overflow" I'm also using the "Hide boosts from"-Feature.

Sunflower Björnskalle 🌻

@ajsadauskas Can I borrow this (credited)? Might help me convert some more people

Stefan Midjich ꙮ҄

@ajsadauskas Twitter surely sounds like a silly place, let's not go there.

Carl Härnryd

@ajsadauskas

Thanks for sharing, we will see if this
"Twitter" thing will gain any traction.

The basic idea of

"From thought to "tweet" in the fastest possible way"
May have an effect of the quality.

Jools

@ajsadauskas Love this.
Reverse-engineering the view of Twitter.
Very clever and just proves how viable Mastodon really is.

mx jw logan

@ajsadauskas as I understand it there is an edit button on Twitter now… for Twitter Blue subscribers. They paywalled it.

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