@jaz it looks like we’re all moderating ourselves so far. Just happy to have escaped

@jaz Ha! Completely didn't think of it this way, but you're so right. (#poorTwitter)

@jaz How much time would you say is currently spent on this moderation per day on a server like Twt Cymru? Just curious

@jaz I’m looking for info on how to reach my server’s admin for assistance on an accessing my account. Thanks I’m advance.

@jaz now if only we could convince people to consider the mod ratio when picking a server

@jaz the vibe is scalable.

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more people will become servers..

@jaz Far more

@jaz 4000 servers are serving ~1M active users. Twitter has ~200M users. Scaling Mastodon to Twitter without altering ratios requires 800k servers and say 2M mods. Possible? Sure. But what you're seeing right now in terms of influx is a trickle compared to required future scaling if fediverse services were to take over from corporate monoliths. it's quite a challenge, and likely to require some innovation along the way!

@jaz exactly! So many systems would work better like this -- and be more efficient.

@jaz That's one way to look at it, but there's no uniform rules on moderation either so it's not really an apples to apples comparison.

@jaz those that peddle in the background, are you volunteering?

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Indeed, and moderation is about using our own judgement to report problem content, rather than trying to rely on an AI to do it.

We report because we CARE not because it is our job to do so. I think that also makes a difference.

@jaz In the wider community, sure.

Not so sure about the ratio on mastodon dot social.

But yes. That's why we need to keep servers small and encourage those on the big ones to get their band together and recruit a tech and migrate to their own place.

@jaz does #mastadon need tech writers? User docs can quickly get away on a team

@jaz Not all heroes wear capes.

@jaz 4000 is a lot. Is there a central place to see that list? Numbers here seem small: https://joinmastodon.org/servers

@jaz Things seem to be going quite well so far which is encouraging!

I've been thinking about the verification/trust issues inherent to distributed platforms like this and I wonder if we could develop some sort of community ranking system (like Google's page rank for websites).

Example: I could up vote or down vote you and depending how many people have up/down voted me that action has more or less weight.

It's a very complicated problem to solve, but would allow for crowd-sourced "trust".

@jaz that was always the idea, right? Small is Beautiful.

@jaz do not be afraid to ask for support (and funding).

@jaz @PhilosopherNo375 already added to the hat this month. I suggest a here is how you help with each server

@jaz I love this. I do data science with a lot of open source python and its awesome what distributed cooperative communities can produce!

@jaz That implies at least 4000 admins for a population of around 1 million. If #Mastodon gets to be as large as #Twitter at around 200 million users, that would map to 8 million instance admins.

Sounds like Fatima's next job really is going to be in cyber.

@jaz The fediverse has more content moderators than :birdsite: has EMPLOYEES.

@jaz Jimmy Wales isn’t on Mastodon, yet?

@jaz I already feel later on Mastadon than I ever did on the bird-turd app

@jaz is it true that Palmer Report got suspended?

@jaz thanks!

@jaz Power to the people, actually.

@jaz Is there some sharing on how we're on it? I'm super interested. Especially in some of the softer sides of Privacy/Security/Integrity .. like policy, tooling, better privacy-by-default options etc.

@jaz this is what it is and this is why I like this platform!🤷🏼‍♀️#ISaidWhatISaid 🙄

@jaz that's awesome and sad

@jaz Similarly, Wikipedia at its scale can only work because it has thousands of volunteer editors and admins. It would be too expensive to be run by a corporation, moderated by employees.

@jaz Near as I can tell, after the layoffs and resignations, ONE Mastodon server has more content moderation than all of Twitter.

Seriously.

@jaz I wish I had found this place sooner. Following some amazing people and much nicer conversation. Some of the people I originally followed on Twitter and started following here, I unfollowed, as their vibe did not really suit this platform. Being very protective and those who have been here for a while, have been so gently helpful to us newcomers, blundering around.

@jaz Twitter mod is just a disposable employee that follows a ToS script while waiting out a clock. A server admin has legal things to watch out for and their reputation on the line, more to lose imo.

@jaz My biggest fear is burnout. I really hope we manage to spread ourselves thin enough that it’s not too much work for each admin.

@jaz 👍😊

@jaz I'm sure there are some well run instances. I'm also equally sure that the admin and moderation "teams" are in fact one person.

@jaz@toot.wales Not sure where you got the 4,000 number from, currently there are 6,027 publicly tracked #Mastodon instances and 11,167 publicly tracked total #Fediverse instances.

@jaz 🙏 from a newbie flying from the bird 🐦 and hoping i remember to do content warning on political posts ...as I see many aren't

@jaz Good point but...you moderate one post or one person on Twitter and it's done and done. In Mastodon, the same person and same post has to be moderated again and again and again...

@jaz that’s a good point. Only difference is that there’s no commonly agreed community guidelines for content moderation. I am not saying that’s a problem, just a difference. #mastodon

@jaz so this platform’s entire content moderation strategy is birdwatch?