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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@aral hah, that reminds me of this ancient blogpost of mine:
rys.io/en/43.html

> [R]ights and freedoms that we defend are citizen’s, not user’s. We should not be ashamed to call upon them if we’re supposed to defend them! And seemingly all other sides to this dispute (and many beside it) have to be reminded, over and over again, that people are citizens first and foremost; they can be users afterwards.

5 Nov 2022 at 10:19 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mstdn.social
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Aaron Winston Smith

@rysiek consider that a person may have several accounts, so i suggest "there are 42 accounts" @aral

5 Nov 2022 at 10:26 | Open on mastodon.bida.im
Oblomov

@aaronwinstonsmith @rysiek @aral

Also bots, aren't people, but they may still have an account 8-)

5 Nov 2022 at 10:28 | Open on sociale.network
Sam Rose

@oblomov @aaronwinstonsmith @aral @rysiek the ActivityPub spec specifically makes a distinction between “actors” (what we’re referring to as “users” here) and “human users” (people): w3.org/TR/activitypub/#actors.

ActivityPub does not dictate a specific relationship between "users" and Actors; many configurations are possible. There may be multiple human users or organizations controlling an Actor, or likewise one human or organization may control multiple Actors. Similarly, an Actor may represent a piece of software, like a bot, or an automated process. More detailed "user" modelling, for example linking together of Actors which are controlled by the same entity, or allowing one Actor to be presented through multiple alternate profiles or aspects, are at the discretion of the implementation.

I agree with the sentiment of the original post, but it’s going to be tricky when the tech has a different idea of reality.

@oblomov @aaronwinstonsmith @aral @rysiek the ActivityPub spec specifically makes a distinction between “actors” (what we’re referring to as “users” here) and “human users” (people): w3.org/TR/activitypub/#actors.

ActivityPub does not dictate a specific relationship between "users" and Actors; many configurations are possible. There may be multiple human users or organizations controlling an Actor, or likewise one human or organization may control multiple Actors. Similarly, an Actor...

5 Nov 2022 at 10:41 | Open on octodon.social
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@oblomov @aaronwinstonsmith @rysiek @aral

This was exactly what I was thinking 🤖

However, I do like the sentiment behind OP's toot.

5 Nov 2022 at 16:14 | Open on mas.to
fyrfli ☕ :coffefied:

@rysiek @oblomov @aaronwinstonsmith @aral To be fair, people make bots and the accounts thereof.

5 Nov 2022 at 20:53 | Open on mastodon.coffee
Aral Balkan

@aaronwinstonsmith @rysiek Accounts is definitely the technically correct term (and one I use in my projects also). But we should also consider whether we need absolute precision in this. For example, would “There are around 40 people on this instance” suffice while also keeping the focus on what’s important? (And/or, even better, as someone else suggested on the thread, a chance to also separate the bots: “There are around 40 people and 2 bots on this instance.”)

5 Nov 2022 at 10:34 | Open on mastodon.ar.al
Kou Ki

@aaronwinstonsmith are folks confused that having an account on one instance implies you aren't also on others? Or can't have more than one account on the same instance? If so then your point makes sense. Although perhaps we should call them "profiles" maybe? @rysiek @aral

5 Nov 2022 at 12:00 | Open on ieji.de
Kou Ki

@aaronwinstonsmith see work by Hans-Georg Moeller on "profilicity" @rysiek @aral

5 Nov 2022 at 12:02 | Open on ieji.de
Envy

@aaronwinstonsmith @rysiek @aral 'Members' maybe? You can have 42 membership accounts

5 Nov 2022 at 15:36 | Open on mastodon.coffee
rohmishra

@aaronwinstonsmith @rysiek @aral Exactly! accounts can be people, service accounts/bots or system accounts. But switching users with account doesnt really do much.

5 Nov 2022 at 23:43 | Open on floss.social
Corstian Boerman

@aaronwinstonsmith @rysiek @aral Then, if one person has multiple identities, is that really one person to an outside observer?

6 Nov 2022 at 7:37 | Open on sunny.garden
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