@darius @cj The ideas are not complicated... they're actually simpler in many ways. But they are different, and do start from a different set of assumptions.

I don't think I'm going to have much success in convincing anyone but the super-interested until I have things that are put in peoples' hands and them trying/using them.

People learn through immersion best. The main problem is that people don't have immersive experience in these ideas.