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If you hate Windows, simply switch to Linux so you can hate Linux instead

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Callixte

@schratze you don't hate windows or linux, you hate computers and the time they suck out of you.

Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

@schratze Next year, next year, not just right now. I've been reliably informed that next year will be the year when Linux is ready for the desktop.

Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

@goren @schratze I've tried several times over the years and always given up quite quickly. OK so I use Linux on servers, with things like WinSCP to pull files across when I need to edit them.

(Is there a Notepad++ plugin that lets you edit files directly on a remote Linux box?)

GTB :anarchistflag: :antifa:

@TimWardCam @schratze My desktop doesn’t run linux in a VM, it runs it as the main OS. Of course, I have multiple USBs with different operating systems, but most of those are just different linux distros.

Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

@goren @schratze Some of my work colleagues choose to run something other than Windows on their desktop. They keep having problems with this or that or the other application ... and don't take kindly to my routine suggestion of "have you tried reinstalling Windows?".

GTB :anarchistflag: :antifa:

@TimWardCam @schratze My only USB that isn’t a linux distro has Windows on it, so that way I can use all the apps I can’t find on Linux.

Phil Allsopp

@schratze I run Windows using Parallels on my iMac….not exactly the best of both worlds..but pretty close

Sindastra♀️✅

@schratze Dear Schratze, I am inquiring today, to ask whether you, too, noticed the thread getting resurrected today in your notifications, and not in a good way. At least the mentions I got are... *cough*

Wait... what if I am contributing to the resurrection myself right now with this toot? Oh no. And what if it's not in a good way? OH NO.

CC @shahaan@eldritch.cafe 😆

PsyMar aka Sam

@schratze Pro strat: switch to WSL so you can blame all your linux problems on windows.

Minecodes

@schratze
I don't hate Linux. I really don't like graphic card companies for making buggy drivers and Microsoft for making a buggy system called Win11. I only have it because of School and some games as a dual boot system. The only other thing I don't like are drivers that won't work or companies that don't want to make drivers on Linux.

PS: Thanks to every Open Source dev for making good software that we love (even the big tech companies)

Shawn Webb

@schratze Can I hate them both equally, but for entirely different reasons? ;-P

#WinWithBSD

Woozle Hypertwin

@schratze I switched to Linux 17 years ago and... well, yeah, Linux has issues, and some of them are extremely frustrating -- but every time I'm made aware of what Windows is like these days, Linux seems positively idyllic and utopian.

Argenis

@schratze Or xBSD, we can hate that one as well.

Patrick Curry

@schratze Hate using software? Simply switch to making software so you can hate yourself instead.

M. The Crystalline Entity

@schratze I’m boosting this just so it hopefully gets traction again.

Luna Saphira Dragofelis
@schratze I tried that, but it turned out that I actually like linux.
Katanova the Sunpunk

@schratze I call the process of getting my computer to do what I want it to do "arguing with my computer"

"I wanted to get a game running on linux, so I spent some time arguing with my computer"

Katanova the Sunpunk

@schratze Also, I set a shell alias so that if I enter a command, but forget sudo, I enter "please" and it re-runs the last command with sudo

Kevin Karhan :verified:

@schratze except I don't hate #Linux since #ItJustWorks - unlike #Windows.

My only regret is not having committed myself to switch to Linux earlier...

schratze

@sexybenfranklin there are people who joined this month who have bigger accounts than me

Cheerios de Bergerac

@schratze Oh yeah, absolutely, but yours is homegrown, a lot of those accounts came over with twitter followers in tow.

schratze

@sexybenfranklin well, thank you. I've put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into my account in the posting mines

Killick

@schratze
"Applications create possibilities for millions of credulous
users, whereas OSes impose limitations on thousands of grumpy coders, and so OS-makers will forever
be on the shit-list of anyone who counts for anything in the high-tech world. Applications get used by
people whose big problem is understanding all of their features, whereas OSes get hacked by coders
who are annoyed by their limitations." ~ Neal Stephenson "In the Beginning Was the Command Line."

Eve (?), she/her (?), secret spooky romulan (?)

@schratze If Linux fucks up, it's probably my fault, so I simply hate myself

Bryan

@schratze I heard there is a way to run a windows simulator on Linux....double the pleasure...

Jelly :v_bi:

@schratze no I love Linux since I switched from Windows. Sure it's not perfect but it's open and gets worked on. I think it's fair that it isn't perfect but it didn't ask me for my data and works just as if not better then Windows on my old laptop

Catelyn

@schratze sure, but I hate Linux for very different reasons, many of which are not as easily solved as the problems Windows has, which in my opinion makes it worse!! because they are so easy to fix!! and they just!!!! don't!!!!!??

Desikner

@schratze If you hate Linux, switch to macOS so you can hate macOS.

Now you hate them all.

schratze

@desikn no need to switch to mac OS in order to hate it

Clara Sohet 🍉J-2💕🌈

@schratze every time I use windows for professional reasons, I realize how much I love Linux despite its own problems

Deniz Opal

@Pandora @schratze

Same. And don't get me started on Apple's alternative. The only way to use that is launch the terminal and make it full screen.

Meghan

@schratze Ditto for MacOS, as well as most of the unices and Unix-like systems I've used, excepting all releases of OpenBSD from 2.6 onwards (Theo de Raadt is my Dom, though he doesn't know it, yet.)

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@schratze we all love to hate it! :blob_think_smart:

ShardsOfTheGoddess

@schratze but on Linux I at least know that I am the problem unlike Windows where it's just shrug emoji

Deniz Opal

@schratze

In 15 years I have not managed to hate Linux yet. I may be blinded by love.

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@schratze literally me when I yesterday tried to copy over browser files on ubuntu and couldn't bc I needed admin permissions, which I had, I was in root, so I had to move the files via console which took me at least 4 times longer than just drag&drop, for what do I have a GUI when I can not use it for basic operations grrrr. Friend recommended installing kio-admin, very essential package

Richard Troupe

@schratze I've ironically just moved to Linux Mint as my daily driver away from Windows 11, and I must say that it's a nicer and quieter experience.

There are some frustrating elements to the OS, but I definitely find it preferable to Windows!

cuan_knaggs

@esther but you do get to feel superior to people that still only hate windows @schratze

Dan Shick

@schratze it's like the difference between hating Trump Tower and hating the subway system.

mj

@datn @schratze i've never been a Linux user, but I understand this analogy so well 😆

DeManiak 🇿🇦 🐧

@schratze yeeeesssss...the hate is much more purrrrre on the linux ssssside.

samjc

@schratze least you can hate linux while feeling superior to Windows normies

Yonle
@schratze Or simply throw your computer to trash.
Syphist :verifiedtrans:

@schratze@todon.nl I just hate computers sometimes. (Has "Computer Enthusiast" in bio)

Jeremy Mallin

@schratze
Very similar to the Mosaic→Netscape→IE→Firefox→Chrome →??? pipeline.

puminya :verified_blobCat: :neocat_flag_disabled:

@schratze Windows hurts me without my consent, Linux hurts me with my consent :blobCat_uwu:​

snaprails

@schratze I don't hate Windows but I came to the conclusion a long time ago that Windows hates me. The only windows in this house now are the sort that you look through.

The ADHDM :postgresql:

@schratze
If I don’t hate the software, it’s only because I haven’t used the software.

JamesTDG

@schratze TBH, Linux is pretty alright now. Any issues it has comes mostly from sabotage from other companies.

awiss

@schratze
I switched years ago ... ... ... and still hate Windows!
@babe

ʟ·ɪɴᴀᴅꪮᴩᴛé 🌴

@schratze
I've got a problem.
I switched to Linux 10 years ago, I love it, but I still hate Windows.
What more can I do?

Jyrgen N

@schratze @PCOWandre That reminds me of
"Linux is for Windows haters.
BSD is for Unix lovers."

Jyrgen N

@PCOWandre @schratze Aaaaaaah nooooooo!

Since that job where our main box was a uVAX II with 4.3 *and source code* (which was rare at the time) I have been an ardent BSD fan.

Jyrgen N

@PCOWandre @schratze Actually, working at WeMoveMobileData and later WeHostMillions I learned to like Solaris 10 a lot. Which was rather unlike the SysV I got to know at the University earlier in its different forms of not being very satisfactory.

Andre

@jyrgenn @schratze I think years of earlier Solaris conditioned me a little. When I had a retro trip to Dell UNIX et al, the userland was familiar and I had no trouble building packages.

Jyrgen N

@PCOWandre @schratze Never heard of Dell Unix — what was that?

Andre

@jyrgenn @schratze Circa 1990-1992 SVR4 UNIX. Was near unobtainium at the time of release; certainly never found it in Australia.

If you look at some early comparisons of UNIX options on x86, it'll turn up, often with a pretty strong recommendation.

Caveats? The hardware support is pretty narrow. Only a couple of supported NICs; I never managed to get the Adaptec SCSI HBA support working and it doesn't know about large storage.

My plan was to attempt to port some of the NIC drivers from early Solaris x86 but my development box kept shitting itself -- failed power supply then failed motherboard then failed disk then failed NIC. At some point I'll find another reasonable fast-486/early pentium and give it another poke.

@jyrgenn @schratze Circa 1990-1992 SVR4 UNIX. Was near unobtainium at the time of release; certainly never found it in Australia.

If you look at some early comparisons of UNIX options on x86, it'll turn up, often with a pretty strong recommendation.

Caveats? The hardware support is pretty narrow. Only a couple of supported NICs; I never managed to get the Adaptec SCSI HBA support working and it doesn't know about large storage.

Resuna

@PCOWandre @jyrgenn @schratze Porting drivers from early Solaris to SVR4? Would that even be possible? Wasn't early Solaris basically SunOS (BSD) under the hood?

Andre replied to Resuna

@resuna @jyrgenn Nope. Solaris -- as in Solaris proper, not the "Solaris 1" backported name for SunOS 4 -- was STREAMS and System V all the way.

With proper API/ABI definitions and compatibility. Look at some of the classic LSI drivers -- one binary covers 2.6 through 10 and the cut at 2.6 is only because of the jump to 64 bit splitting the driver tree.

Jyrgen N replied to Andre

@PCOWandre @resuna It was indeed SunOS up to 4 that was BSD-based, AFAIK from the start. (4.0.3 when I finally got access to the coveted Suns at the university, work as well as study. At my student job I got the task to install "all that GNU software" on the first SPARCstation 1 they bought — a night and a day of pure fun. No "./configure && make install", rather real configuration work at the time. The best thing: Emacs with native SunView support.)

Jyrgen N replied to Jyrgen

@PCOWandre @resuna Compiling gcc three times and things. The only 25-hour shift I ever did.

Resuna replied to Andre

@PCOWandre @jyrgenn OK. Work quit using Sun about then so I have little experience with Sun post SunOS.

Jyrgen N

@PCOWandre @schratze To clarify, the SysV I got to know earlier wasn't beyond SVR3; I never saw a non-Solaris SVR4. The ones I worked with a bit more were ISC 386ix (rather classic), IBM AIX (really weird for its own reasons), and HP-UX, which at least was significantly less annoying once it reached version 10.

Andre

@jyrgenn I've been tempted at times to find an Amiga just to run that port of SysV...

erseiiiii

@schratze if you really hate yourself and your computer, try nixos

loaExMachina

@schratze
With Linux, you can pick and elaborate on specific things to hate! Some hate systemd, others don't. Some of us hate xorg, others hate wayland. Some hate Canonical, some hate Redhat, and some yet despise everything that isn't mainly community driven. Some hate Richard Stallman and the FSF, others would like to interject...

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@schratze the most logical solution :blobcatmelt:

DeepBlue V7.X

@schratze@todon.nl Linux has one big benefit. It supports annoyance driven development (ADD). Basically when you get annoyed enough, you can actually fix things instead of just continuing to be annoyed. Now that might be annoying on its own, but it at least keeps you busy instead of fuming in a corner!

(Sorry for the necro-reply, someone boosted this and I blame them!)

4udio 4ndrea 🏳️‍⚧️ 💜

@schratze Switched to Linux (Arch, specifically) like 10 years ago except for professional audio and gaming, and I have to say there's been less and less to hate over the years 😅

Except when it comes to managing Python packages but I guess hating that kind of pain is OS-independent.

schratze

@4udio_4ndrea Python, Haskell and especially R :>

Funny, I only made the switch like five years ago and audio production and gaming where two of my main priorities to get running

4udio 4ndrea 🏳️‍⚧️ 💜

@schratze That’s really funny. Admittedly, gaming has gotten really smooth over the time (I guess Valve has been playing a major role here), but even thinking about getting my Meta Quest setup under Linux is giving me nightmares.

And for audio, I’m just too dependent on some VSTs and, unfortunately, iLok stuff that Wine doesn’t like. Not to speak of a bunch of devices with weird Windows-specific drivers…

KSP Atlas

@schratze@todon.nl at least on linux you can blame the individual creators of the software you use

schratze

@erindesu don't need to write an OS for that 👉😎👉

schratze

This fucking post is my legacy, huh

Brett Edmond Carlock

@schratze
That was the dance I dutifully did every other year or so since 2006 until I found @alpinelinux about four years ago and started by moving my laptops over first, switching fully on my desktop just over a year ago.

Esther Alter

@schratze I use a custom Debian install and it basically doesn't work but on the other hand there's no notification popups

Vivian

@schratze that's why I dualboot, so I can hate both

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