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Schafstelze

@Natasha_Jay at the Uni campus of Heidelberg University they actually paved the desired paths which were brown soil through the green. Let the feet decide, not planners.

Henk Langeveld

@Natasha_Jay @Dingsextrem That's the classic example, if I recall correctly?

Martin Vermeer FCD

@Natasha_Jay @Dingsextrem Or then, Aalto University. Crowdsourced (also by me) and then formalized paths in the foreground, the ones crossing the lawn with no trees along them.

Aerial view of Aalto University's Otaniemi campus. Photo: Mikko Raskinen / Aalto University 2023
Alexandre Marcati

@ELS @Natasha_Jay @Dingsextrem interesting to see that the desired path is not always the shortest. Sometimes it's under the shade of trees, for example.

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@ELS this looks beautiful, reminds me of something organic in a petri dish

Pseudo Nym

@Natasha_Jay @Dingsextrem

Pretty sure we had a few of those at my college in the North East of the US, where they just paved the well worn foot paths

Always seemed eminently reasonable solution to me, optimizing for where people actually went.

John Groszko

@Natasha_Jay @Dingsextrem Illinois Tech built their whole campus center around desire paths. Makes it hard to give directions inside the building though 🤣

metalocus.es/en/news/iit-mccor

SchwarzeLocke

@Dingsextrem @Natasha_Jay There is also a path at the @TU that got formalized. Still unpaved though, as is the path it is leading to. openstreetmap.org/way/30123154

Edit: I'm seeing now the tagging needs to be updated.

econads

@Natasha_Jay not really in the spirit of the whole thing, but unpaved packed earth paths can be used by some bees and insects to nest in, so yay desire paths.

BoneHouseWasps🔶🇬🇧🇪🇺

@Natasha_Jay When I first heard of this concept, they were called 'meander-ways' and I prefer it. 😊

Great comic. Love the Alt-text, too.

Nina Felwitch :v_trans:

@Natasha_Jay unrealistic. There's no anti-homeless barrier on that bench.

Siguza

@ninafelwitch @Natasha_Jay yeah, I expected a brick wall, a trench, barbing wire, and eventually gun turrets and surveillance cameras.

Hay Kranen

@Ciell hebben we het daar wel eens over gehad? Olifantenpaadjes!

Ciell

@hayify ja! Stond dat niet al eens in je nieuwsbrief? Ik moest iig aan je denken, haha.

Ian K Tindale

@Natasha_Jay

Hah! Where I live, Beckton Park had a desire path every year

Last year they decided to re-do the park into “Beckton Meadows, plant a whole load of meadow plants for wildlife and for dogs to run around and shit in, made some small hills, put tables and chairs in, put wooden sculptures in, demarcated the meadow with fencing to confuse dogs, and made the desire path into an actual wide path with a few seats – not straight lines but a sort of ziggy-zaggy route, which is nice – could do with lighting at night though

[picture is Apple Maps currently imagining Beckton Park as it was over a year ago, the link is the project that turned the desire path into what it is now, and we all like it)
marlboroughhighways.co.uk/casestudy/queen-elizabeth-memorial-pathway/ This is the project and it’s good

@Natasha_Jay

Hah! Where I live, Beckton Park had a desire path every year

Last year they decided to re-do the park into “Beckton Meadows, plant a whole load of meadow plants for wildlife and for dogs to run around and shit in, made some small hills, put tables and chairs in, put wooden sculptures in,...

Beckton Park, a screenshot of the Apple Maps idea of it, which is now a year or so out of date, showing the twin desire path across it which renewed itself each year
Johanna Janiszewski

@Natasha_Jay I studied landscape architecture and was taught that if a desire path is necessary, the architectural design was bad to begin with.

Gilbert Pilz

@JohannaMakesGames @Natasha_Jay That assumes that the architects had perfect knowledge of where everyone was coming from and going to before they started their design. Even if such a thing were possible, it doesn't account for future changes in where people are coming from and going to. A better model is to admit that your knowledge is imperfect and plan to iteratively accommodate new desire paths as they appear.

EQ

@gpilz @JohannaMakesGames @Natasha_Jay

Or you could do like Umeå and just ignore them even after they become two-lane desirepaths. They even remade the park and grass. The desirepath ofcourse reformed immediately.

Love the comic, always thought this was how it worked :)

Autumn photo of a grass field. Straight ahead a path forms where people have taken the shorter route over the grass. Over the years the path has turned two-way since a lot of people walk and bike in both directions.
An overview satelite image of the park showing the alternative path as prominent as the real bicycle paths around it.
Melissa

@JohannaMakesGames @Natasha_Jay That sounds like you’re expected to be superhuman? I prefer the approach of waiting for them to develop and then formalizing them.

Nyolc

@Foodecology @JohannaMakesGames @Natasha_Jay The best of both … but a clear and open mind to start the design with is needed.

Johanna Janiszewski

@Foodecology @Natasha_Jay We were expected to go and analyze the place in person and with a map of the surroundings. I have never worked as a landscape architect though, so I can't share more information on how well that turns out.

Mac Berg

@Natasha_Jay This rendition of the concept is fantastic. Love it!

Code of Amor 💘

@Natasha_Jay This is about my level of problem with authority too 😂😆🤣

The Great Despot Virtue Is Dead!

@Natasha_Jay
massive props for finding a way to do an actual image description im ashamed to say i might have given up in your place

Marcos Dione

@Natasha_Jay and all I can think of is the poor #OpenStreetMap'er who has to make the updates on the map :-P

MJ Ray

@bit101 @Natasha_Jay yeah, should have put the path to the crossing, not "finally admit defeat" but still not quite do what's desired. It's a typical council bumhead power-trip move to still try to force people to deviate just a little. But hey, in the real world, some councils would replace the hedge with a spike-topped fence and a metre of ankle-breaker paving behind it.

Albert Hickey

@Natasha_Jay I love seeing these IRL.
Makes me take pause when making decision as to what the actual desire requirement is not what I think looks neatest.

Nini

@Natasha_Jay The war on desire paths never ends, every accommodation of the path creates a new desire path, call it the rebellious nature of the human spirit.

Dr. Quadragon ❌

@Natasha_Jay Desire paths are data, already visualised. All the planners need is to just act on it.

Anstattradler

@Natasha_Jay

In Germany it is called:

Gestaltung durch Nutzung

in english speaking countries:
Elephant paths ?

Chris Ruppel

@Anstattradler @Natasha_Jay "paving the cowpaths" is what I always heard in the midwest.

Nyolc

@Anstattradler @Natasha_Jay
In dutch: ‘Al doende leert men’ - learning by doing. Pragmatism. But clever design exists and is a good start.

MemoryLeech

@Natasha_Jay

Feel like there are parallels with CyberSecurity.

helmplus

@Natasha_Jay
So my takeaway is this: If I want a park bench and shrubbery, I need to form a desire path! 😉

econads

@helmplus @Natasha_Jay
Now cannabis is legal at a federal level here in Germany, but they're are a few restrictions. Your cannabis growing club cannot be within x metres of a kindergarten for example. In Munich, one of the boomer-ist states, the city actually founded a kindergarten in order to be able to deny permission for a club. One way to get more services. Same energy here :D

Aaron

@Natasha_Jay there’s a community process off page

Fardels Bear

@Natasha_Jay

Planting poison ivy and camouflaged steel traps works well.

McGargle

@Natasha_Jay 😀 We had (literally) exactly that situation in Passau The city gov didn´t want the people to cross the local market place diagonally between the university and the bus terminal, so they planted roses. After the thorny roses were "walked over" at a specific point they built a wire fence there. That too was "walked away". Finally the city gov gave up and paved a way through... Power to the people!

Western Exposure

@Natasha_Jay If I remember correctly, Kassel Uni (or was it Hohenheim?) did the same with a new block: wait for the desire lines to appear before completing the external groundwork and paving. It takes guts and is not easy to pull off in terms of the bill of quantities and tendering.
I recently put a triangular deadwood habitat structure into a plan where a desire line is waiting to happen because of the way the paths were laid out (not our doing). #landscapearchitecture

Ruud Snelleman

@Natasha_Jay Politcal and business paths around (new) laws

BelHas

@Natasha_Jay Wunderbar auf den Punkt gebracht! 😄👍

Christer

@Natasha_Jay

Fill the entire lot with trashcans except for the intended path.
I’ve seen it work in Sims.

Dave Volek

@Natasha_Jay
My university had this problem. Until it paved over all the grass in an open area, people were going to take short cuts on that grass.

Calyo Delphi

@Natasha_Jay I'll have you know this comic inspired a small bit of worldbuilding for my sona's kingdom/queendom~

rubber.social/@dragonarchitect

Am I?

@Natasha_Jay
Boosting, if nothing else, then for the fantastic #AltText
@pluralistic

YetiSkotch

@Natasha_Jay
mastodon.social/@Natasha_Jay@t
Desire Paths are a field of scientific study.
There are observations around the characteristics of them. They appear to be following some spatial "rules"
* 3 desire paths rarely cross in 90° angels, rather they approach each other in curves
* crossing of 2: they keep their straight trajectory
These rules are only listed on german wikipedia, not the english one 🤔

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trampelp

vs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail

#paths #desirepath #wikipediacorners

@Natasha_Jay
mastodon.social/@Natasha_Jay@t
Desire Paths are a field of scientific study.
There are observations around the characteristics of them. They appear to be following some spatial "rules"
* 3 desire paths rarely cross in 90° angels, rather they approach each other in curves
* crossing of 2: they keep their straight trajectory
These rules are only listed on german wikipedia, not the english one 🤔

Willow 🏳️‍⚧️

@Natasha_Jay i had to photograph this one last fall near local uni.

desire path through lawn. earlier path blocked with wire inbetween hedges. new desire path formed right next to it.
Geoff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@Natasha_Jay I love desire lines as an optimisation solution. It's not far off Ant Colony Optimisation, just fewer pheromones.

wordsmith‽

@Natasha_Jay Walked across a tiny desire path today, it can only be about two strides long.

Just because.

Tim Ruppert

@Natasha_Jay
I worked with a university campus planner some years ago, and I called him one day to lay out the sidewalks related to our project. And he said, sure, we would put the sidewalks where we thought they should go, but in a few years we’d go back to see where the sidewalks actually belonged. That was an eye-opening experience.

jwls

@Natasha_Jay I love this so much. Do you sell prints? I could use a reminder in my office.

Natasha Jay 🇪🇺

@jwls
The author's (not me) shop is linked by me in the comments 👍

Mike Torr

@Natasha_Jay Haha, perfect! There's a lot of psychological intrigue here.

xinit ☕

@Natasha_Jay that 12th image made me laugh.

"Okay, okay, you can have this path! Happy now?"

"Weeellllllll....."

WestSeattleBill

@Natasha_Jay This was a desire path in the late 70's, eventually they caved in and paved it. There was all sorts of uproar at the time about people staying off the grass. Students rushing to class in the morning or heading home at night are NOT going to take the long scenic route.

Satellite photo of grass Kresge Oval at MIT, with "<=DORMS" tag in lower left and "CLASSES=>" tag in upper right. Paved path from lower left to upper right cutting across the oval.
KristinJ

@Natasha_Jay wait for a fresh snowfall and the desired paths appear !

Androcat

@Natasha_Jay For some reason I can not view this as a parable of the people's resistance against authoritarians.

Trish Roberts

@Natasha_Jay @treleanor No bench or bin, but this desire path is well used.

A desire path diagonally across a green area in Canberra, Australia. From the depth of the path, it’s well-worn, frequently used.
Tinx

@Natasha_Jay or let slime mold design the paths.

Jocelyn

@Natasha_Jay

There must be some other solution. I'm sure they'll come up with it.

Just 3 pictures now. The third one has a high brick wall all along the path, and a cop standing at its end.
Jirsad Cassam

@Natasha_Jay thanks for sharing this! That's visual #poetry to me 🥲, I never thought such plain and everyday elements could be so moving.

Bummer

@Natasha_Jay
Once you realize this, you stop trying to change people. Trouble is it takes years to realize this.

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