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Moss Wizard

@bedast It’s tricky because you’re certainly right about the amount of video with no captions, and the unfair inaccessibility of that. But translation AI is exactly the same tech as “generative” or “LLM”, it is statistical modeling. It is not different in any way, including errors and fuel and water demands. It’s like vehicle engines and tires: they do a tremendous amount of good every day, including for accessibility, but they also have terrible side effects that warrant complaints.

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sbszine

@bedast @Moss If it's done on device that should address the water issue at least.

bedast

@sbszine @Moss Honestly, in my opinion, any AI inference that is not able to use on-device or edge compute is not ready for mass usage by the public.

There’s multiple AI and AI-adjacent tools that I use that have no reliance on cloud compute for inference or decision making. For example, my insulin pump’s operation to keep my blood glucose near target. This runs on a device the size of a pager.

th4

@sbszine @bedast @Moss as a rule of thumb, if it can run locally it's probably not too outrageously wasteful

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@sbszine @bedast @Moss where do you think your electricity comes from?

nytpu ‮

@sbszine @bedast @Moss The issue has pretty much never been the energy cost of using the model, but the energy cost of training it. And there's also the ethics of the sourcing of the training data as well.

small circle 🕊 in calmness

@Moss @bedast

Also agree on its tremendous value for a11y.

There is however also the surveillance capitalism aspect. Imagine every device with a microphhone or a camera able to phone home tiny compressed and encrypted trickled of plaintext data, containing our conversations and description of social settings. Nightmarish dystopic esp. given all the dystopic stuff we already have.

So in the balance there may be fundamental freedoms A11y is directly addressible need vs. long-termis externality.

v0idness

@smallcircles @Moss @bedast This has nothing to do with the above post. Its also untrue. This is just useless fearmongering.

small circle 🕊 in calmness

@v0idness @Moss @bedast

Well, in one thing you are correct.. my toot is not replied where it should. It is out of context, sorry, dunno how come. As for the fearmongering.. I wish I could share your handwavyness on the danger, but thinking how technology will also be applied is nothing more than prudent. It is already astounding what is done and possible in the adtech and surveillance biz, and it is freaking Wild West territory for decades now.

Pablo Martínez

@Moss @v0idness @bedast @smallcircles there’s a subreddit, with the title and topic “Stallman was right”, that gathers lots of cases where a little bit of being a little bit more paranoid or cautious would have avoided lots of loss, pain and injustice, mostly derived from unjust software and hardware lockdown.

small circle 🕊 in calmness

@pablo_martan @Moss @v0idness @bedast

I am founder/facilitator of the (now dormant) Humane Tech Community myself and worked in liaison with Center for Humane Technology for a time. This for 7 years now, and I've been astounded many times by insidiuous and evil uses of technology. Things that sound outrageous and thinfoil hat to the uninformed are common practice. Like ultrasonic cross-device tracking.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-de

PS. forum archive at community.humanetech.com

@pablo_martan @Moss @v0idness @bedast

I am founder/facilitator of the (now dormant) Humane Tech Community myself and worked in liaison with Center for Humane Technology for a time. This for 7 years now, and I've been astounded many times by insidiuous and evil uses of technology. Things that sound outrageous and thinfoil hat to the uninformed are common practice. Like ultrasonic cross-device tracking.

v0idness

@pablo_martan @Moss @bedast @smallcircles Stallman is a necrophile and a pedophile lmao, he was wrong

v0idness

@pablo_martan @Moss @bedast @smallcircles also stallman cares more about corporate profits than the common good of people, GNU/FSF was made for corporations not people.

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