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Erik Jonker

@naught101 @resuna @david_chisnall as a support tooll during homework, where it can give additional explanation, I see a bright future for the current best models (for highschool level assignments) , for text based tasks they are even better (not strange for LLMs) . Ofcourse people have to learn to check and not fully trust, at the same time there is a lot of added value. It's my personal/micro observation but i see it confirmed in various papers

1 January at 21:35 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.social
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RAOF

@ErikJonker @naught101 @resuna @david_chisnall

Of course people have to learn to check and not fully trust,

This is what makes them particularly ill-suited for educational tasks. A large part of education on a subject is developing the ability to check, to have an intuition for what is plausible.

1 January at 22:13 | Open on toot.cat
Erik Jonker

@RAOF @naught101 @resuna @david_chisnall true, but you can adapt and fine tune models for that purpose

1 January at 22:15 | Open on mastodon.social
RAOF replied to Erik

@ErikJonker @naught101 @resuna @david_chisnall can you? How? Is there an example of this that you have in mind, or is this more a “surely things will improve” belief?

What is the mechanism that bridges “output the token statistically most-likely to follow the preceding tokens” and “output the answer to the student's question”?

1 January at 22:43 | Open on toot.cat
RAOF replied to RAOF

@ErikJonker @naught101 @resuna @david_chisnall also, isn't the task you're suggesting is possible just equivalent to “make an LLM you don't need to check the results of”?

1 January at 22:46 | Open on toot.cat
Dmitri Ravinoff

@ErikJonker
I read this a lot (help in learning context) but it doesn't gel with my learning experience: Someone or something that "gives explanation" but at the same time "can't be trusted" (not to tell bullshit) is totally useless in this context. Or not?
@naught101 @resuna @david_chisnall

2 January at 1:17 | Open on social.tchncs.de
violetmadder

@ErikJonker @naught101 @resuna @david_chisnall

The support students need for their work, is A HUMAN BEING WHO IS GOOD AT UNDERSTANDING AND EXPLAINING THINGS.

A good teacher/tutor/sibling/etc can break down an explanation and present it in different ways tailored to the student's understanding. They can look at a student's work and even if it's incorrect, see what the student's train of thought was and understand what they were trying to do.

Our society already drastically undervalues that crucial, mind-accelerating work-- arguably the most important of all human endeavors, as everything else relies on it.

Glorified stochastic parrots spewing botshit are no damned substitute.

@ErikJonker @naught101 @resuna @david_chisnall

The support students need for their work, is A HUMAN BEING WHO IS GOOD AT UNDERSTANDING AND EXPLAINING THINGS.

A good teacher/tutor/sibling/etc can break down an explanation and present it in different ways tailored to the student's understanding. They can look at a student's work and even if it's incorrect, see what the student's train of thought was and understand what they were trying to do.

2 January at 3:56 | Open on kolektiva.social
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