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 If we do need to comply with Hetzner on this, I'm gonna look into an option to get mstdn.social in-home, like literally so they won't be able to touch anything But that's a last resort since I do not have the hardware not money for that currently At least there's options just in case 44 comments
 @stux I would start looking for other EU server providers immediately because other people have had #Hetzner yank their access away without warning, delete their data, and hide behind their TOS as a reason to do so. Even attempting to bring everything in house would be a massive up-front investment, you'd probably have to jump through legal hoops for zoning purposes, and you'd have large ongoing expenses for redundant power, internet access, and hardware @trebach @stux @Bellingcat Oh, mstdn.social is on Hetzner? :neocat_think: Probably also worth checking how well your rules fit together with the Hetzners TOS. Afaik u allow nsfw content, at least if it has a CW.  @stux @Bellingcat If it comes to migrating the service away because of politically motivated cease and desist, then I would not be surprised if a provider like @freedominternet is more than happy to help you out. Their dedication to having an open and accessible internet aligns pretty well with this, after all. Before going the route of self-hosting stuff, I would give them a call.  @guusdk @stux @Bellingcat @freedominternet In that case you may also want to check Greenhost, based in Amsterdam. https://greenhost.net/internet-freedom/ @stux @Bellingcat i mean i don't have high hopes for hetzner on anything, but surely they are not that shit to demand compliance with whatever this cunts want
 @stux @Bellingcat Now might be a good time to do a in-instance pop-up notification to your users and warning that you may experience downtime and why.   @stux @Bellingcat we could also set up a separate bellingcat instance if that would be more appropriate or convenient.  @koen It's just authoritarian bluff. Even if it came from the German or Dutch government, I wouldn't take it that seriously. But yes, you never know with Hetzner nowadays. 🤷🏻♀️ They just pull the plug out of nowhere. Strange as it may seem I feel the need to defend Hetzner here: they are in the ‘make money at scale’ game. If they have to spend time on fighting with authority that is very expensive and it might harm them very much. Let’s see what happens and give them the benefit of the doubt in the mean time.  Same. More than willing to help out, have them on Exquisite or setup an instance for them. Bellingcat is doing incredibly important work (and so are you by the way) :flan_heart: :flan_hacker:  Let us know if you need a specific fundraising effort for this. I'm sure you'll get lots of support. @stux @Bellingcat Hetzner has previously taken action re: Russian dealings. So 🤞 https://lowendbox.com/blog/hetzner-tells-russian-customers-to-get-lost/  Isn't Herzner known for taking down queer(-friendly) instances without really letting them defending themselves?  Have to wonder how #Bluesky could stand up to this kind of pressure. Long live decentralization and the #fediverse. Thanks, Stux. look into the cybergeek brand on amazon. you’d be amazed at what 550$ can get you. Do it quick before drumpf causes the prices to treble. Don’t be afraid to ask users to help you with it. I’d throw a 20$ bill your way just for shits and giggles.  @stux @Bellingcat Hetzner is a fucking clowncar for not routing mail from *.ru to /dev/null (or a public laughing stock hall of shame). @dalias @stux @Bellingcat Doesn't Putin spread propaganda that western countries hate Russians? That will just confirm it. @light @stux @Bellingcat Even if that were true, troll, why would we care? It doesn't matter in the slightest what they think. @dalias @stux @Bellingcat Because Russians are still people, even if their government is full of assholes. @light @stux @Bellingcat Yes, absolutely, but that doesn't impose an obligation to entertain legal complaints from their country just to show them we respect their humanity. @light @stux @Bellingcat Yes I did. You don't have to respect legal requests from a jurisdiction with no legitimate government/law. @stux I guess Hetzner just forwards it without any opinion. I wouldn't panic. Russia doesn't have any jurisdiction in Germany or the Netherlands. It's pure bluff. @joenepraat @stux they might start a civil suit, in that case, I know a great information law lawyer that won't bleed you dry and has won several cases for on line activists. And I'm sure lots of people will help raising funds. @Libby_ I doubt that. Russia has completely no jurisdiction in the EU. But yes, if something would happen (that I doubt) the lawyers and funds are at our disposal in abundance. @joenepraat @stux They have no jurisdiction, and there is no way they can enforce Russian law in the Netherlands. But they can try under Dutch civil law, with a claim of libel, like everyone else, and hire a Dutch lawyer from the Zuidas. @Libby_ Yes that's a possibility, but I doubt if they go that far and winning is indeed out of the question. 😉 @joenepraat @stux yes,might just be a civil servant going through the motions of doing his duty. After all Russia has a serious bureaucratic system. @stux @Bellingcat I have no idea about your requirements but you can contact me for hosting if necessary @stux @Bellingcat if Hetzner will kick you or similar just DM me and we provide you a server free of charge for it |
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@stux If Hetzner really want to comply with this - then it is the wrong step and we should show that to Hetzner...
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