@dyfustic Thanks for the feedback!
I’m not very familiar with what admins and security people do but: Would you not consider admin-ing (writing config scripts etc.) to be programming? I personally find setting up AWS more difficult than programming. I’d also count people who write spreadsheets with formulas as programmers.
@rauschma Programming for me is writing code. Writing code is the focus of the job. But admins do much different things than this and in my case the “programming” was maybe 5% of my work. I think your definition is too broad.