@_elena holy crap that’s BAD. Can people browse Blue Sky without logging in? When Twitter allowed it it made it really easy for people who were blocked to just log out and look at anyone’s page they want to look at. I mean at least they couldn’t contact the person who blocked them to abuse them, but they could take screenshots of tweets and talk shit.

Does Blue Sky allow that too?

@_elena @cwebber Thanks for this!! 😯

@_elena As per the op the public nature is an inherent of the design and it is even up to an app to respect or not (so someone could write a block-ignoring app, like the one you pointed out).

Since blocking for any reason or none is part of the culture there (imho a great thing), one could perhaps camouflage any particular block with volume, say by using block lists.

Of course people can still look for specific blockers for abuse, but there's a good chance many others are also blocking them..

@_elena @cwebber this plus a lack of private posting/private accounts - I'm avoiding.

@_elena A similar issue is that Bridgy Fed publicly shares your likes if they involve Bluesky users.

@_elena @cwebber oh damn. Wow. 🤯😱

@_elena I share your fear, but also stand by my blocks

@_elena@mastodon.social @cwebber@social.coop That was a great article! Thanks :)

@_elena When I learned about this, I rushed to Bluesky to make a rare post and "warn people".

But first, I wanted to search if anybody's talking about this. And people seem to already know! And are fine with it?

I think folks are already hooked, and it's like telling everyone that Twitter/X is a nazi bar two years ago.

@_elena Worse, if you're a determined troll, you can pick an account you're a fan of (let's imagine it's some famous far right figure) and then go and bother everyone who has blocked them

@_elena yikes

@_elena @cwebber can someone explain why that's a big issue?

@_elena It’s one of the reasons I ended up leaving Bluesky.

@_elena @cwebber Not sure I care since I usually tell people I’m blocking you because Nazi, racist, etc. They know already.

@_elena @cwebber

They are censoring normal people. So they are just another government-Twitter.

@_elena @cwebber Nobody cares enough about what I say to bother with lists.

@_elena @cwebber OTOH I suppose a list of people blocked a thousand times might be made, and them asked why, looked at harder, shared etc.

@_elena @cwebber that will definitely open up for abuse. Thanks for the heads up. 🙏

@_elena @cwebber I don't know if you've seen this post - https://docs.bsky.app/blog/block-implementation - from June 2023 where the team attempt to explain why Bluesky blocks are public.

It would seem they were and still are researching alternative implementations, but I don't think any changes have been made yet.

@_elena @cwebber

I would really proud to make my block list public.

@_elena @cwebber 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

@_elena @cwebber well that's concerning.

@_elena @cwebber Thank you for the info, Elena. I rarely block people, but good to know! I am not fully convinced by Bluesky, I still keep one foot in Mastodon. I wonder which platform will succeed in the long run! 🙂

@_elena Impressively bad implementation based on their reasoning. This is a solved problem on Mastodon. Guess it's a weakness to the AT Protocol since all those "data banks" need to communicate with the master server. Oops.

https://docs.bsky.app/blog/block-implementation

@_elena @cwebber this doesn't convince the hardcore Bluesky bros.

@_elena @cwebber I wanted to make multiple lists with many accounts for various reasons but apparently these lists would also be public..that's a no go.

@_elena @cwebber

That's a black eye for Bluesky.

It's like publishing the names and addresses of crime victims.

"Unlike on other centralized platforms, blocks on Bluesky are public and enumerable data, because all servers across the network need to know that they exist in order to respect the user’s request."

https://docs.bsky.app/blog/block-implementation

@_elena @cwebber the safest choice is to not use Bluesky.

Trading one fascist run network for another is just asking for more of the same

@_elena @cwebber Is there any part of Bluesky they got right?

@_elena @cwebber Nice tip. Thank you.
My Bluesky account is likely to be a news browsing site rather than interacting. Probably not too much need to block.
To be honest I never really had a problem on Twitter, until I bailed out.

@_elena @cwebber does muting stop them from following you?

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@_elena @cwebber I'm not surprised. They seem to make a big deal about the openness of their data. It almost makes you wish they were selling it. At least the audience would be smaller.

But... What I have noticed is that if someone follows you and you block them, they disappear from the list of your followers, BUT your follower count doesn't decrease. I found that odd.

@_elena @cwebber I'm not there and I enjoy Mastodon but I don't get why is that bad. It allows to share blocking lists, which I think could be something good.

@_elena @cwebber Another great reason to use Mastodon.

@_elena @cwebber Not only can you see who is blocking you on that site, you can also click through and see their posts.

@_elena @cwebber People who use #BlueSky are mostly #Stockholming #Dorsey who left it once it became clear that it'll get shutdown and banned if it was left fully #unmoderated as he wanted it to be.

@_elena @cwebber
@mastodonmigration

Hmm...

Not already same capability for muting...??

If not, bet there soon will be.

Seems a thoroughly idiotic inclusion of an API feature that I'm betting isn't limited to "block".

@_elena @cwebber

I'm curious why anyone would even *want* to see someone's block list.

Like, that just seems very high school and *let me stir the pot*-ish.

@_elena @cwebber can you share in simple terms why this is bad? How can this information be used against you?

@_elena@mastodon.social @cwebber@social.coop
Muting is actually quite dangerous, in the sense that it allows people to reply shit (like doxxing or death threats) under your post without your knowledge. Blocking is definitely a necessity.

@_elena I had someone on another platform ask whether this might also be true on Mastodon, since it's open source. I've explained that data isn't public just because code is, but if you can give me any other resources I can share about privacy and blocking on Mastodon I'd appreciate it -I'm not very technical!

@_elena @cwebber Excellent tip. And one reason to continue to use Mastodon while playing around in Blue Sky.

@_elena@mastodon.social @cwebber@social.coop
@evan@cosocial.ca amazed that some think this is ok

@_elena @cwebber I was about to ask why is this important but reading the interactions to this toot I found that people consider blocks much more important than I do. In any case I don't really see why is this a problem when there is an alternative mechanism like mute, that is not public.