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 Now to be completely fair this is something that Bluesky's devs are interested in potentially changing: there is an open issue to discuss the possibility of private blocks https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/discussions/1131 What I am saying is there are architectural consequences to fundamental design abstractions 374 comments
You know what, we'll come back to "bidirectional Conway's Law", let's talk about Direct Messages for a minute because I think those are telling Direct Messages in Bluesky, wait how do they work if ATProto is public? Did you guess? DMs are centralized! All DMs flow through Bluesky Now to be completely fair Bluesky is clear about this *in their blogpost announcing DMs*, but just like this thread, I doubt nearly anyone has read that far (am I talking to the void? I don't know, if you actually have gotten to this message reply with "I found the easter egg" or something)      @cwebber i found the easter egg! (Actually readin this thread in semi-realtime)   @cwebber@social.coop i mean you're on my timeline every 2 seconds, it's hard to miss The thing that is telling to me about DMs is that we *have* federated direct message protocols like XMPP which have been around for ages; if Bluesky wanted to they could have tacked that on pretty quickly, E2EE or not. It still would have been decentralized at least The point is that I have *seen in the wild* people saying "Oh yeah Bluesky added DMs to their decentralized protocol" and augh I know they aren't claiming this but it's very clear to me that people are reading things as being completely different architecture than it is But to Bluesky's credit, Twitter's DMs aren't decentralized either! And getting and shipping something that works, now for the influx of Twitter users, again... I am sympathetic Bluesky's team is doing an INCREDIBLE JOB in that way of scaling to meet the incoming stream of Twitter refugees On that note, again, I am not reading the replies right now because I am (a) afraid to and (b) I'm never gonna finish this and we are a bit over HALFWAY THROUGH the analysis but I have this fear that EVERYONE is mad at me, Bluesky fans, fediverse fans I am trying to be analytical. I am trying!!! I said we are about halfway through and criminy we're halfway through the afternoon, I need a break to get some tea We have a few big topics left: - Decentralized identity, how does it work (magnets too, yes) And so, it is TEA TIME Go get yourself a hot beverage. Put honey or agave in it, if you like. Dairy, or perhaps, non-dairy, if you prefer. === BREAK TIME! Time for tea! === I can confirm, @cwebber is currently making us both tea :) @mlemweb Thank you for corroborating my story    @cwebber this entire thread is enlightening so far! (and i figure liking each post manually would be kind of insane to do.)  @cwebber indeed the `void*` is listening. Please do continue.   @cwebber I found your Easter egg. Please publish a count of all responses to this Easter egg. 🙂  @cwebber Egg discovery. 🥚 🍳 🐣 I learnt something, and I don't even use BlueSky (nor want to). |
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Yes, I may sometimes seem silly over here, SICP-hugging fangirl, come on we're just trying to build things that *work* over here
Look I'm a lisp lady, I know the realities of "Worse Is Better" more than most, I now the right CS designs don't win
But Conway's Law flows in two directions!