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 @rupert @noodlemaz @JohnSullivan @realtegan I think their point is that they’re not willing to sacrifice brave women to the law for an unknown chance doing so would affect it. A better route is to use social pressures to reduce the expression of these threats, which is why they said it needs to be men talking to other men, as the men that make these threats are more cowed by men’s disapproval than women’s hypothetical violence. 28 comments
 @locksmithprime @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan because claiming that men only learn from violence? It is not. Stop believing their lessons. Regrow the parts of yourself that patriarchy killed before you tell women to join you in leaving those parts of themselves to die in response to threats. That's not winning.  @locksmithprime @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan We’re not asking for equal debate, we’re asking for social pressure by the people these men respect as people: other men. Please stop and think for a second about how this conversation of two people trying to guide you away from encouraging others to make very risky moves is taking up time and effort that could be directed towards the threats. @WhiteCatTamer @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan I agree with all. Yet I say both things can be true and be done at the same time. One is sick, one works to improve the body's strength and resistance while at the same time one takes the medicine to eliminate the disease. @locksmithprime @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan when did turning into a retaliatory bully stop bullying? Only reworking society does that, & men (+ some women, but mainly men bc those assholes don't give a shit what women say to them abt their behaviour) have the power to do that. @locksmithprime @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan nobody here is asking for a debate with rapists and wannabe rapists. @noodlemaz @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan Perhaps none of us is listening. @locksmithprime @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan DO words work with you? Look back at this conversation. @WhiteCatTamer @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan We are using words here, are we not? Are we not discussing, sharing views? Is it perhaps heated? Yes, and that is fine. I believe this is still a non violent conversation. @locksmithprime @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan “We”? You’re speaking for a group of one here. @WhiteCatTamer @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan Not according to the thread and original poster, but I have overextended my time. Good luck. @noodlemaz @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan Perhaps try the pragmatic way. The current one is not working. @locksmithprime @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan Asking men to be more confrontational with their peers is the pragmatic way. Asking women to risk retaliatory violence and felonies is not. It can be as simple as shaking your head in disgust and walking away from the speaker. It can be as involved as having months long arguments with friends going down the rabbit hole. But it is far safer for all. @WhiteCatTamer @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan Yes. But what if that is not enough? Should we allow, then, violence against women because we refused to show them how to defend themselves? @locksmithprime @WhiteCatTamer @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan no and that wasn't what I was saying. I don't think this is productive so I bid you a good night @locksmithprime @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan Why do you believe a woman not responding to a verbal threat with physical violence is the same as failing to teach women how to defend themselves? Every single martial arts teacher I’ve trained under has stressed the point that if you can get away without fighting, that is the best outcome. I’m not advocating for pacifism. @WhiteCatTamer @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan No no. Not a verbal threat. I am talking about physical violence. One can use words to defend against words. @noodlemaz @locksmithprime @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan I would like to add to this that, while I enjoy messages of girl power etc, in reality there are very very few men I could take in a fight Of course there are women who are skilled in martial arts or otherwise good at fighting, but that is not most women. And certainly not me. For me, specifically, if violence ensues, whoever starts it, I will be worse off. @patsytheshark @noodlemaz @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan It does not have to be this way. You can learn tools that, if never used, can at least serve as good physical fitness. @locksmithprime @noodlemaz @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan Labelling self-defence "escalating" and "making the situation violent" is exactly in line with the misogynistic Trumpians. Deepest contempt for you. @WhiteCatTamer @rupert @noodlemaz @JohnSullivan @realtegan |
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@WhiteCatTamer @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan yes, that, thank you.
I don't know how, from anything I've said, that you'd think I'm defending the law and/or those men.
I'm saying that, practically, beginning violent conflict with *men who are clearly prone to violence or are at least considering it* is not likely to end well. I am concerned for women's safety (and that of everyone else those shits would target).
Kicking people in the balls is not a good way to keep yourself safe. As a woman.
@WhiteCatTamer @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan yes, that, thank you.
I don't know how, from anything I've said, that you'd think I'm defending the law and/or those men.
I'm saying that, practically, beginning violent conflict with *men who are clearly prone to violence or are at least considering it* is not likely to end well. I am concerned for women's safety (and that of everyone else those shits would target).