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Noodlemaz

@locksmithprime @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan because claiming that men only learn from violence?
That comes from patriarchal, toxic masculinity bullshit. Sexist nonsense that says empathy, emotion and pacificism is the realm of women/femininity.

It is not. Stop believing their lessons. Regrow the parts of yourself that patriarchy killed before you tell women to join you in leaving those parts of themselves to die in response to threats. That's not winning.

11 November at 19:54 | Wall-to-wall | Open on med-mastodon.com
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Locksmith replied to Noodlemaz

@noodlemaz @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan

I respect all this. But we need to be pragmatic.

I have two daughters who train in Krav Maga. Krav Maga as self-defense is straightforward: defuse if possible. Get out of conflict, always a good decision. If conflict is unavoidable, annihilate. Anyone has the right of not being harmed and using the tools at their disposal for preventing that harm. Women, men, children.

The men who are saying those things, "your body, my choice"? They are idiots. Bullies. When did ever debate and talking work with bullies?

@noodlemaz @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan

I respect all this. But we need to be pragmatic.

I have two daughters who train in Krav Maga. Krav Maga as self-defense is straightforward: defuse if possible. Get out of conflict, always a good decision. If conflict is unavoidable, annihilate. Anyone has the right of not being harmed and using the tools at their disposal for preventing that harm. Women, men, children.

11 November at 19:59 | Open on infosec.exchange
Jay replied to Locksmith

@locksmithprime @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan We’re not asking for equal debate, we’re asking for social pressure by the people these men respect as people: other men.

Please stop and think for a second about how this conversation of two people trying to guide you away from encouraging others to make very risky moves is taking up time and effort that could be directed towards the threats.

11 November at 20:04 | Open on mastodon.online
Locksmith replied to Jay

@WhiteCatTamer @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan

I agree with all. Yet I say both things can be true and be done at the same time. One is sick, one works to improve the body's strength and resistance while at the same time one takes the medicine to eliminate the disease.

11 November at 21:21 | Open on infosec.exchange
Noodlemaz replied to Locksmith

@locksmithprime @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan when did turning into a retaliatory bully stop bullying?
Teaching women self defense is only ever a plaster/band-aid over a problem. Helpful for some. It doesn't stop many men.

Only reworking society does that, & men (+ some women, but mainly men bc those assholes don't give a shit what women say to them abt their behaviour) have the power to do that.
Spend more time telling men how to do better & less telling women how to respond

11 November at 20:36 | Open on med-mastodon.com
Locksmith replied to Noodlemaz

@noodlemaz @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan

I am not telling how to respond, but I advocate for teaching and giving them tools. Men have been told how to do better for millennia. Where has that gotten us? Where has that gotten us?

I would never teach my daughters to attempt to stop a bully or attacker with messages of love and compassion. Call an adult? "I'm gonna tell?" "I promise I won't tell?" "Please you don't have to do that?" No. First stop them by breaking their bones. THEN you can debate with them. If they choose not do use the tools, then I accept, but I will not be remiss in not showing them they can be more effective in protecting themselves with something else than words.

Words work with idiots like me, because I work to evolve out of my manly shell of ignorance and lack of vision. I always rather resort to intelligence. If those men who say "your body, my choice" had any modicum of intelligence in them? If bullies had any sense or ears in them?

@noodlemaz @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan

I am not telling how to respond, but I advocate for teaching and giving them tools. Men have been told how to do better for millennia. Where has that gotten us? Where has that gotten us?

I would never teach my daughters to attempt to stop a bully or attacker with messages of love and compassion. Call an adult? "I'm gonna tell?" "I promise I won't tell?" "Please you don't have to do that?" No. First stop them by breaking their bones. THEN...

11 November at 21:18 | Open on infosec.exchange
Noodlemaz replied to Locksmith

@locksmithprime @rupert @WhiteCatTamer @JohnSullivan @realtegan nobody here is asking for a debate with rapists and wannabe rapists.
You're not listening.

11 November at 21:33 | Open on med-mastodon.com
Jay replied to Locksmith
Locksmith replied to Jay

@WhiteCatTamer @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan

We are using words here, are we not? Are we not discussing, sharing views? Is it perhaps heated? Yes, and that is fine. I believe this is still a non violent conversation.

11 November at 22:17 | Open on infosec.exchange
Locksmith replied to Locksmith

@WhiteCatTamer @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan

Anyhow, I see that the conversation is breaking down, and I sense how it is going to end. Before it does, perhaps I shall bid my adieu and wish good luck.

I will note that, in all this talk about approaching those hardened ones with words, showing them the way with reason and compassion, not violence; all it took us were three or four rounds of posts for us to give up. Block, move on. And we want to have THIS as the sole wiinning strategy to deal with bullies. Harassers. Abusers. Intellectually closed. People who are so immersed into their fog of mind that they cannot see any further than their own voices.

We go with our lives in the world of flesh. Controversy? Block, move on? Confrontation? Block, move on? Difference of opinion or politics? Block, move on? That really worked well for us here in the US.

@WhiteCatTamer @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan

Anyhow, I see that the conversation is breaking down, and I sense how it is going to end. Before it does, perhaps I shall bid my adieu and wish good luck.

I will note that, in all this talk about approaching those hardened ones with words, showing them the way with reason and compassion, not violence; all it took us were three or four rounds of posts for us to give up. Block, move on. And we want to have THIS as the sole wiinning strategy...

12 November at 0:34 | Open on infosec.exchange
Jay replied to Locksmith
Locksmith replied to Jay

@WhiteCatTamer @noodlemaz @rupert @JohnSullivan @realtegan

Not according to the thread and original poster, but I have overextended my time.

Good luck.

12 November at 0:45 | Open on infosec.exchange
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