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zvavybir :palestina:πŸ‰ :Green:

Due to it's famously too large size, this server will defederate mastodon.social tomorrow.

I want to encourage everyone to leave mastodon.social (if you might need/want/could use help, see social.zvavybir.eu/@zvavybir/1 ), especially those who follow me (If you only manage to migrate after I already defederated mastodon.social, the auto follower/followee migration will not take me with you, so then please feel free to dm me so that I remember to follow you again).

#mastodonSocial

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@madeindex
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3 November at 14:48 | Open on social.zvavybir.eu
12 comments
MadeInDex

@zvavybir

Thank you for the notification! :)

What does "famously too large size" mean?

3 November at 14:54 | Open on mastodon.social
zvavybir :palestina:πŸ‰ :Green:

@madeindex Many people (including me) on the fediverse keep complaining that mastodon.social has too many users (> 200000), which contradicts the defederated nature of the fediverse (some of the problems of that is that it hinders in moderation and that the admins of mastodon.social have a lot of power given their position of the admin of 200000 people).

3 November at 14:57 | Open on social.zvavybir.eu
MadeInDex

@zvavybir It feels to me like the power is already in their hands. #Mastodon gGmbH maintains the #GitHub project and joinmastodon.org.

Have you & the others who believe this tried to raise the issue with them?

A simple solution to increase signup on other #servers would be to remove the "Join mastodon.social" button on the officialΒΉ #website and instead display a full list of servers.

ΒΉ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon

3 November at 15:08 | Open on mastodon.social
zvavybir :palestina:πŸ‰ :Green:

@madeindex This problem is well-known and raised often, but sadly no action by Eugen/the Mastodon gGmbH has been taken so far. While you are of course correct that being the official maintainers of a major software and the owners of the primary sign-up site is a lot of power, there is also a lot of power being an admin of a big instance, independent from the other things. The most pressing concern to me is that the large size means that I can't really defederate mastodon.social (I now have decided to do it anyway as the pains have become too high and I remembered ways to circumvent the worst of it (I can still subscribe to the RSS feed of the accounts I want to follow in my RSS reader and I have an old account that I can use to write to mastodon.social users if I need to)) without loosing a lot of people I care about (and losing people who want to hear from me – the list of accounts in the first post are all following me from mastodon.social), so one of the most important and potent moderation tools is effectively toothless for this one instance.

@madeindex This problem is well-known and raised often, but sadly no action by Eugen/the Mastodon gGmbH has been taken so far. While you are of course correct that being the official maintainers of a major software and the owners of the primary sign-up site is a lot of power, there is also a lot of power being an admin of a big instance, independent from the other things. The most pressing concern to me is that the large size means that I can't really defederate mastodon.social (I now have decided...

3 November at 15:16 | Open on social.zvavybir.eu
MadeInDex

@zvavybir
You raise an important issue with the #decentral / #federation idea of the #fediverse.

The concentration of power might become an increasing issue looking into the future. If, e.g., #Mastodon gGmbH decided to threaten blocking #instances unless they remove certain users, content...

Thinking about switching there are concerns of losing: SEO-wise, reach, contacts/followers, character & poll limit (😜)...

PS
#Misskey seems to have a "fairer" signup process
misskey-hub.net/en/

@zvavybir
You raise an important issue with the #decentral / #federation idea of the #fediverse.

The concentration of power might become an increasing issue looking into the future. If, e.g., #Mastodon gGmbH decided to threaten blocking #instances unless they remove certain users, content...

Thinking about switching there are concerns of losing: SEO-wise, reach, contacts/followers, character & poll limit (😜)...

3 November at 15:44 | Open on mastodon.social
MadeInDex

@zvavybir Your approach & the thought of switching instances somehow remind me of moving from #Whatsapp to #Signal and eventually having to have both πŸ˜…
(as the critical mass has not seemed to be reached yet)

#Mastodon currently seems to face a more immediate, more dramatic issue, though.

The active #users & #server count are continuously dropping:
mastodon-analytics.com/

#fediverse #mastodonggmbh #mastodongmbh

@zvavybir Your approach & the thought of switching instances somehow remind me of moving from #Whatsapp to #Signal and eventually having to have both πŸ˜…
(as the critical mass has not seemed to be reached yet)

#Mastodon currently seems to face a more immediate, more dramatic issue, though.

The active #users & #server count are continuously dropping:
mastodon-analytics.com/

3 November at 15:59 | Open on mastodon.social
zvavybir :palestina:πŸ‰ :Green:

@madeindex Your old account is immediately, fully redirected to your new one, so there is no need to have both (in fact, you even can't use mastodon.social after a migration anymore (although you can cancel the migration and then use it normally again)).

3 November at 16:02 | Open on social.zvavybir.eu
zvavybir :palestina:πŸ‰ :Green:

@madeindex The user and server drop is pretty much independent of this issue and needs to be addressed separately. (also I'm not completely convinced it's true give the data on the website, it seems pretty steady.)

3 November at 16:08 | Open on social.zvavybir.eu
MadeInDex

@zvavybir You are right, the #data seems to be significantly different on fedidb.org/ compared to mastodon-analytics.com/

@erickhun & @dansup do you have any idea why that might be? :)

3 November at 16:16 | Open on mastodon.social
zvavybir :palestina:πŸ‰ :Green:

@madeindex But even without such direct abuses it is bad. For example I tried to block mastodon.social after they started their partnership with Facebook's Threads, but couldn't due to whom I would loose. So there is already a problem.

About your concerns: Contacts and followers will be automigrated (I did it already twice without problems) and you can first check what character and poll limit an instance has (although afaik mastodon.social is *very* unusually low, so this is not really something to worry about, even if you couldn't check it first). And about SEO: At least on DuckDuckGo your website is above your mastodon account, and even if someone where to stumble on your mastodon.social account after migration, they would see where you are now (for example my old account is under mastodon.social/@zvavybir and this immediately tells you where I am now).

And yes, Misskey is better…

@madeindex But even without such direct abuses it is bad. For example I tried to block mastodon.social after they started their partnership with Facebook's Threads, but couldn't due to whom I would loose. So there is already a problem.

About your concerns: Contacts and followers will be automigrated (I did it already twice without problems) and you can first check what character and poll limit an instance has (although afaik mastodon.social is *very* unusually low, so this is not really something...

3 November at 15:59 | Open on social.zvavybir.eu
samiamsam

@madeindex @zvavybir

the reason i didn't use mastodon until fairly recently is the 'server' thing which is useless to me

i don't want multiple choices

i want one place to interact

glad i found mastodon social because i won't use a zuck, musk or dorsey product

3 November at 17:35 | Open on mastodon.social
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