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josef

i think getting deceived and scammed constantly, all the time, by everyone, at every level, has somewhat more of an effect on a person's moral expectations than witnessing a cracked windowpane in their neighborhood

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Krutonium

@jk Honestly a lot of it is just the bullshit like hiding hundreds of exceptions in the fine print - just as an example. Not technically a scam, legally, but holy hell that is not what you intended to pay for.

J.H.Noyes

@jk

Excellent point. Nearly ten years of this shit and I'm exhausted.

Janne

@jk Kafka wrote of a faceless opressive, nightmare. It didn't occur to him it could be so profitable.

Rachamim Farnworth

@janvenetor @jk my husband will not read Kafka because dealing with the British benefits, social care and NHS bureaucracies is like living in a Kafka story already

Alex White-Robinson

@RachamimOnWheels @janvenetor @jk there's a bunch of tv shows and books I just can't read any more too. Dirty Politics, about the NZ 'national party'. West Wing and Veep. Big Money Crime.

I still force myself to read Arendt - The Origins of Totalitarianism & On Revolution. Even if I'm sometimes viewing the pages through tears.

Steven Bodzin bike & subscribe

@jk Yes, and most of all when those doing the scamming are clearly higher on the social status scale. Getting scammed or robbed by a loser sucks, but getting taken by a megacorp, by a rich guy, or by the state itself is multiple times more scarring

Steven Bodzin bike & subscribe

@jk Whenever people bring up "broken windows" or its more reputable offspring, I just think about cars. All these Porsche Cayennes and giant Escalades zooming around, cutting me off, killing my friends, often as not with concealed license plates and a high-status, perfectly coiffed person behind the wheel.

"Jokerize" is a joke word but it's a real thing

CourtneyCantrell won't go back

@stevenbodzin @jk As I drove my 12yo to school this morning, we encountered a road-raging driver in an Escalade. Half again the size of my vehicle. With behaviors aimed at me and my car, the man behind the wheel yelled, honked, flipped me off, ran up hard on my bumper, tried to push me out of my lane with his massive vehicle, got in front of me and braked hard, and just otherwise bullied me for more than 2 miles.

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CourtneyCantrell won't go back

@stevenbodzin @jk All because minutes before, I'd signalled my intentions & changed lanes into a lane with a gap of 4 or 5 car lengths behind me. Bad luck for me, I was going the speed limit and Escalade cockwomble was going about 10mph above, and the lane I entered apparently belonged to him.

After harassing me for 2 miles, he finally gunned his engine & zoomed ahead to run up on several other cars & get pushy with their lanes too.

I called the police and gave them his license plate.

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Steven Bodzin bike & subscribe

@courtcan that´s so terrifying and unpleasant. It´s good you kept your head and that you felt comfortable calling the cops. Around here I would assume it was a cop. Good luck.

Poloniousmonk

@courtcan

I'm old enough to remember when that sort of behavior was an extremely rare occurrence. In a lot of ways, I blame the surveillance state.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not encouraging the tactics that used to keep those kinds of assholes in check. It's not my job to enforce civility. But some people did enforce civility in the bad old days of no cameras. I spent a year working as a courier and one of our drivers kept a bucket of D batteries in his van. If somebody was being a flagrant asshole on the highway, he took out their windshield.

Now I know that can kill somebody, both by penetrating the windshield and by causing an accident. I would never do something like that, not even as a wild, lawless teenage vandal. But some people would. Some people don't care. My first boss gave me some good advice--don't fuck with truckers or bikers. Couriers are similar to truckers.

These days, that incident would be on camera, and the guy with the batteries would get hauled off to prison.

I also see surveillance society encouraging(?) creating(?)...we deal with a lot more mass shooters now because nobody has any smaller outlet for what is justifiable rage at the state of things. There is no halfway step a person can take--once they break bad, they know their life is over anyway so they structure the snappage to cause maximum harm on the way out.

Hell, I think the unavailability of more minor outlets is why the plague rats get off running around and making people sick. It's a way to deniably cause harm.

There always was a better way.

@courtcan

I'm old enough to remember when that sort of behavior was an extremely rare occurrence. In a lot of ways, I blame the surveillance state.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not encouraging the tactics that used to keep those kinds of assholes in check. It's not my job to enforce civility. But some people did enforce civility in the bad old days of no cameras. I spent a year working as a courier and one of our drivers kept a bucket of D batteries in his van. If somebody was being a flagrant asshole...

Cass (they/them)

@Uair @courtcan This is an interesting perspective to consider. All limitation of anti-social behavior is supposed to fall to the state now but the state does jackshit about any of it below or above a given threshold. Like you said, ways people used to discourage certain types of antisocial behavior weren't always good, but letting it go unchecked is likely worse in some ways, especially when it comes to shit like straight-up nazis feeling comfortable as hell in public now.

AnnieBuddy

@courtcan @stevenbodzin @jk

I was on a highway here recently where a guy was being dangerously aggressive. I pulled over to call the police and let him go ahead - but you have to be careful stopping when you are dealing with someone like that.

Anyway, just as I was about to turn off the highway about 20 minutes later, I saw the police had him pulled over.

Call them in. Get a dash cam. They endanger everyone on the road. Let their insurance companies deal with them.

Kellen Malek

@jk I spent a summer working for a public library, where I rode around on a cargo bike full of books and set the bike up at spots around the community. It was pretty wild how many folks were just relieved and suddenly thrilled by the fact that they could just chat with a stranger who genuinely cared about them and had no ulterior motives to sell, scam, or pitch anything.

sidereal

@kellenjmalek @jk Wild. I thought about doing this just for fun as a way to get rid of my extra books. I guess I should take this as a sign to do it haha

Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎

@jk youtube.com/watch?v=4FM7XeaSO0 has a line it that goes just, "A fake card in a fake bank machine" and that line just evokes so strongly all of what you just said.

grepe

@jk yes! it should be pointed out that regulation of business practices can do much to mitigate this problem and because of that it is worse in some countries than in others (as a european, trying to book an airbnb or going to a grocery store in the US is a soul crushing experience). but you are right in principle and perhaps we should go beyond just regulation... guaranteed sick leave and similar things can truly transform how people think and what they expect from businesses and each other.

8r3nt gu14n0w5k1

@jk

Stockholm syndrome when corporations (executives and investors) hold us hostage. Our only hope is strong government and regulation, but the boss tells us not to trust government, they take our money. Whereas the boss gives us money, so clearly has our interests at heart.

Money corrupts everything, because it is the perfect reputation laundry. We talk about “dirty money”, but there is no such thing as clean money. It all has blood and drugs on it.

Leonard Ritter

@jk we all believed politicians were corrupt when they were still honest. the new ones just play for us the role we already expected to see, so they seem like *honest* crooks.

Gary Houston

@jk are cracked windowpanes such a concern? I have a few. I was going to get around to replacing them some year.

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