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argv minus one

@screw_dog

I have a bunch of IKEA furniture and most of it is still intact after 15 years. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ There is one piece that's starting to fall apart, though.

I have lost some IKEA dishes and glassware, but that's because I dropped 'em. ๐Ÿ˜‚

@coolandnormal

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Queer Like The Slur

@argv_minus_one @screw_dog this is another excellent point, a lot of modern "crappy" products* are actually incredible in their quality/longevity to cost ratio.

*weet-bix furniture, polar fleece, the 1993 holden astra

M.S. Bellows, Jr.

@coolandnormal @argv_minus_one @screw_dog OTOH, I just ordered a new Opinel folding carbon steel knife, because no one has made a better knife in the 134 years since Joseph Opinel crafted the first one. "Newer is only better if it's better." -my dad

Gus

@coolandnormal @argv_minus_one @screw_dog Volunteering at repair cafe (and also working in electronics) has really driven home how arbitrary this can be.

The general trend for things like appliances being "newer means shortest lived and least repairable" independent of all other factors (brand, retail price), but every now and again you run into outliers that are well made and repairable.

The kicker, from a consumer perspective this is not reliable information. "Product Y from Brand X was good last year" doesn't mean the brand hasn't since revised and "cost optimised" it, switched to a cheaper factory, squeezed their existing factory, experienced "quality fade", etc.

@coolandnormal @argv_minus_one @screw_dog Volunteering at repair cafe (and also working in electronics) has really driven home how arbitrary this can be.

The general trend for things like appliances being "newer means shortest lived and least repairable" independent of all other factors (brand, retail price), but every now and again you run into outliers that are well made and repairable.

sabik

@argv_minus_one @screw_dog @coolandnormal
There's a big difference between actual IKEA and cheap imitations

Linda Woodrow

@argv_minus_one @screw_dog @coolandnormal Furniture used to be built to last generations. My lounge chairs are mid century, my kitchen dresser 1940's, the kitchen table 1950's, big dining table 1960's.

blinken

@coolandnormal @lindawoodrow @argv_minus_one @screw_dog also hot take, the crap old stuff has all disintegrated, so the old stuff you buy today is reliable and well made, because it has lasted a generation already. People have without question been selling trash and snake oil since the dawn of civilization, but you don't see it because it's in landfill.

I'm sure some stuff made in 2024 will survive the next 80 years. Some cheap stuff, but mostly very expensive stuff.

Queer Like The Slur

@blinken @lindawoodrow @argv_minus_one @screw_dog wow this. Giant neon sign with this on it.

This is the truest shit said so far. Survivorship bias in manufacturing.

Everything we have in 2024 from our nannas was "made to last generations"... of course the fuck it was. The test is built into the premise.

We are now generations later and the few of nannas 7000 items that we still own are the few that were made to last generations.

Queer Like The Slur

@blinken @lindawoodrow @argv_minus_one @screw_dog it's like we took all our grandparents' stuff and stepped over a magic bridge that only purple things can go over. At the other side we looked at the few things we had left and said "wow, they really made everything purple back in nanna's day, gee they just don't make everything purple like that anymore" as all our grandparents' other stuff goes floating away down the river.

Linda Woodrow

@coolandnormal @blinken @argv_minus_one @screw_dog I don't know about this take. I remember both my grandparents homes. They were all poor, working class. My grandad was a night watchman. My Nanna was born in 1908. Her home, from when I remember it in the early 1960's was much smaller than homes now, and much more sparsely furnished. I have the kitchen table, my sister has the dresser, and six chairs that have not survived were all the kitchen furniture. 1/3

Linda Woodrow

@coolandnormal @blinken @argv_minus_one @screw_dog The gas stove survived but was eventually sold. The lounge had two big club chairs that my mum still has, and a sideboard that my Nanna inherited from her mum, and my mum still has, along with some big vases that stood on it, and a hallstand. 2/3

argv minus one

@blinken

Very expensive cars certainly don't fit that description.

I have relatives who seem to be buying a new BMW every other year because they fall apart and the repairs are more expensive than the payment on a new car. They baby the engine with top-tier fuel and look at all the good that does.

My SO's Chevy, meanwhile, is still running after almost 10 years and over 200k miles. It just does not give a crap and keeps going anyway.

@coolandnormal @lindawoodrow

Queer Like The Slur

@argv_minus_one @blinken @lindawoodrow now we're butting up against the difference between premium manufacturing and luxury manufacturing... Which is... Well...

I'm from one of those industries and the industries are *not friends*.

Pandanus

@argv_minus_one @blinken @coolandnormal @lindawoodrow BMWs have been svelte trash for decades buy any other German car - yes even the Opelโ€ฆ

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