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Augie Ray

I'm sure it is just a coincidence that the disability and long-term sickness rates in three nations starting rising at the start of the #COVID19 pandemic and are still rising almost five years later, despite the fact the global health emergency ended.

Data shown is for Spain, the US, and the UK.

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yosh

@augieray do you have links for where you sourced this data? This is incredibly useful to track!

JustAFrog

@augieray One thing which historians will marvel about is how during our polycrisis, we documented how it's going wrong, at which rate, and how quickly, and did very little to slow it down and even did things to hasten it.

So much high quality data, so easy to understand, and so little done about it.

conscientious objector🇨🇭🪂

@justafrog @augieray

You are very optimistic if you think there will be historians in the future…

JustAFrog

@tobi82 @augieray Even If this is a black death event, consider how humans pulled through that one, too.

Nini

@justafrog @augieray We have a lot of info about it, enough that we can feasibly figure a way out of these problems if we haven't already worked them out. Trouble comes from the controlling classes, the oligarchs who know but will run the clock down until it becomes unprofitable to avoid it and/or a cheaper alternative becomes available.

Remember, the ozone layer was only saved due to cheaper alternatives to CFCs existing, not out of alturism.

Merlin

@augieray I am sympathetic to the argument that the global health emergency was terminated too early. Conversely, I don't find it reasonable that we should still be confined to 2020-level restrictions. I'm not saying that's what you're arguing for. But I have seen others advocate for that.

I've been getting my booster shots annually and going forward, I will always wear a mask in public if I am experiencing symptoms of respiratory illness and can't avoid going out. Beyond that, I'm living life normally. What does a reasonable approach to COVID-19 look like today from a public health perspective? I honestly don't know.

@augieray I am sympathetic to the argument that the global health emergency was terminated too early. Conversely, I don't find it reasonable that we should still be confined to 2020-level restrictions. I'm not saying that's what you're arguing for. But I have seen others advocate for that.

I've been getting my booster shots annually and going forward, I will always wear a mask in public if I am experiencing symptoms of respiratory illness and can't avoid going out. Beyond that, I'm living life normally....

Augie Ray

@AbleAmazing Where did you get the idea that I or anyone else is suggesting we "still be confined to 2020-level restrictions?"

If I suggest using seatbelts, is that the same as suggesting you not drive?

If I say you should reduce your fat intake, does that mean you have to become a vegan?

I have thousands of posts arguing for sensible decisions, and it just drives me insane when people act as if there is nothing we can do between pretend #COVID19 is gone and locking ourselves at home.

Merlin

@augieray I thought I made it pretty clear that I was not accusing you of advocating for that. I was saying that I have seen some people advocate for that level of restriction or something close to it. I understand and appreciate nuanced arguments. Extremes are anathema to my way of thinking.

I am not saying I don't want or that we shouldn't have any restrictions. I was asking what those sensible restrictions should look like in 2024. I am ignorant on this topic and was seeking an informed perspective. I will of course do my own research. But I am curious what your perspective is.

@augieray I thought I made it pretty clear that I was not accusing you of advocating for that. I was saying that I have seen some people advocate for that level of restriction or something close to it. I understand and appreciate nuanced arguments. Extremes are anathema to my way of thinking.

I am not saying I don't want or that we shouldn't have any restrictions. I was asking what those sensible restrictions should look like in 2024. I am ignorant on this topic and was seeking an informed perspective....

Ken Brucker

@AbleAmazing @augieray There are a few things that should be getting done:

- Address indoor air quality in public spaces and schools.
- Cease treating masking as political sport
- Cease attempts to make masking illegal
- Provide free access to vaccines for everyone with no complicated process to follow for those underinsured
- Continue/Resume reporting on infection rates within localities allowing informed decisions and ongoing risk assessment to be made

Ken Brucker

@AbleAmazing @augieray Individually, we need to pressure our local, state, national governments to work on these areas. We have a grading system for a restaurants. What if we had a similar grade but for the air quality in the building? With threat of closure/condemnation if steps are not taken to improve?

Ken Brucker

@AbleAmazing @augieray And apply this to all buildings. Work offices, schools. Give people the means to make intelligent choices about their health. Maybe you don’t care if the building you’re about to enter has a Grade C air quality. Or maybe that lets you know this is a good place to wear a mask.

Merlin

@sigsegv @augieray

Thank you for the information. I had never even considered air quality as a public health factor in the context of respiratory diseases. I will explore this further.

Augie Ray

@AbleAmazing I appreciate that. The try being someone who for almost 5 years has posted thousands of times with correct information warning people in the early days of COVID, alerting them that immunity fades, cautioning against long covid, and reporting on repeated surges. Then, get 1,000 angry responses that claim you are advocating for lockdowns. Trust me, your fuse will get mighty short.

Merlin

@augieray I understand. Social media is a harsh place to try to have nuanced conversation. I am brand new to mastodon and hoping interactions can be a bit healthier here.

Noodlemaz

@AbleAmazing @augieray I'd consider wearing a mask whether you're feeling ill or not, on transport and in shops and other busy places. It doesn't cost you anything (well, except price of masks) and can prevent asymptomatic spread.

Yappari

@augieray @jawarajabbi Could this be explained by demographics in the three countries? The baby boomers are aging. Correlation does not equal causation.

Augie Ray

@yappari @jawarajabbi There have been over a thousand studies that find COVID can cause chronic damage to organs and we know long covid is not rare. How much evidence do you require?

conscientious objector🇨🇭🪂

@yappari @augieray @jawarajabbi

It’s actually the opposite. Due to immigration the working population gets actually younger or stays the same. Germany for example, due to Ukraine war. But they have the same issue with rising disability.

Augie Ray

@yappari @tobi82 @jawarajabbi It is not especially aging in the past five years. Look at the data and research on long covid and repeat infections.

Yappari

@augieray @tobi82 @jawarajabbi Census data at the links says otherwise. My only point is that correlation is not causation. Could there be a causal connection to Covid? Sure. But it could also be due to aging of the people who have survived the pandemic.

Alastair Cooper

@augieray@mastodon.social The UK has also had substantial cuts to healthcare funding. It would be useful to know if that isn't true in terms of the US and Spanish systems.

64 mastodonz logistics co-op

@augieray don’t worry, our grandkids can pay for it. where should we brunch?

ÓsQar

@augieray Sorry, but there's something odd with these data. The figures for US (~6 million people) and UK (~2 million) are very far away from Spain's (30% of adult population!!! That's over 10 million people!).
The link you posted for the source of Spain data in another answer doesn't seem to be correct (it's a survey on the perceived quality of public health system).
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